boo boo

A governmentless, corporation dominated Christian theocracy shut off from the outside world except for free trade? What could go wrong?

I dunno if he's running again in 2012, but just in case I say we do something right now to kill anyone that could potentially vote for him.

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Inuzuka Skysword

I don't think a Christian theocracy can be possible without a government...

He is a lunatic in that he strictly adheres to the constitution as if it were from heaven. I don't think his stance on free market economics or a limited government can be considered lunacy. I mean, it is just as much of a crazy idea, if not less, as paying for welfare systems we cannot afford.

Ultimately, the duty ethics which you want everybody to live by are just as much of a nuance as the religious people though. They tell you believe in God. You tell other people that they should live self-sacrificially.

boo boo

Wrong.

If there's no government, people are gonna start depending on some other kind of governing body. Religion and corporations would have no restraints, they could pretty much have full reign over anything.

He doesn't believe in a limited government, he believes in no government, I'm sorry, anyone who wants to get rid of the CIA and FBI and withdraw from the UN is f*cking insane.

He wants a non interventionist US, at the same time he doesn't mind if we remain free trade dependent and despite his reputation as a "liberal conservative" he's far from it, he's very anti seperation of church and state and xenophobic. So yeah, to hell with huminatarian causes, we only care about little brown people if they make our products.

So I think he really is the "true" conservative presidential candidate. He thinks government's only function is national security (and what a sh*tty one we'd have without the CIA I might add) and enforcing a few laws based on Christian doctrine, and that's it, everything else is "up to the states".

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ElephantSack

I was going to vote for him.

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I don't know where you've been getting your information from, but I was watching him pretty closely in 2007-2008. Where is this "Christian Theocracy" theory coming from? I've never seen anything remotely close to that in his campaign outline. From what I gathered in getting involved with his campaign, these were the fundamentals of his plan: Abolition of the IRS, CIA and Free Trade Organizations that take the work out of the country, Withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan, Utilizing the military to guard our borders more closely, and withdrawal from the World Central Bank.

I don't understand how you get the idea that he was trying to create a Theocracy out of the United States government. A prime example is his stance on abortion. Ron Paul, the person, is against abortion. However, he recognizes that people have the choice of whether or not to terminate a pregnancy, and its not up to the government to tell people what they can do with their bodies.

He's just a guy that was trying to make the government realize its boundaries. If that makes him crazy, then what is sane?

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boo boo

Boundries? He thinks the government has no function at all, that's a pretty big difference.

Also he thinks the abortion/*** rights issues should be left up to the states, but like I said he's also very anti seperation of church and state so he has a pretty clear Christian agenda.

And he does seem to get a surprising amount of support from religious crazies because they love the idea of a nation where government doesn't tread on religion at all.

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Inuzuka Skysword

I am pretty sure he believes that the government does have a function. The function: to protect individual rights.

No, I am not. If you look at the definition of theocracy, it necessitates a government for a religion to rule over. If there is no government, there is no theocracy.

The government has no restraints, yet we still manage to live under it without being oppressed. There is, in fact, a restraint. It is the body the government rules, or the people. If a corporation did something the people really didn't like, the people could rebel and violence and chaos would control. Don't mistake me for believing this is right.

Anyone who is remotely intellectual and pays attention to right-politics would know that he is more conservatives than the conservatives. I think he even said this all the time during his campaign. He wants to restore the country back to the state it had at the time of the constitution, minus the flaws like slavery.

Secondly, reading your posts is like watching a liberal faux news. You never give me any quotes or such to back up your ridiculous statements. You might as well say we never landed on the moon. You will get just as much recognition at this point. I don't ask for quotes unless you go out and call some one "xenophobic."

Secondly:

Then:

It is all propaganda to me, when I read your posts.

That is absolutely right. We don't care about people unless they are a value to us. Thanks for stating the obvious and then manipulating it so that you make a group of people look "extra greedy." Humanitarianism is a stain on humanity, just like all of the duty ethics you propose. You voluntarilly chain yourself to others and expect me to do the same with my life. You recognize the physical realm, but the spiritual (not religious) realm means nothing. You propose a system where people are paid to survive because that is what makes people happy. A little more money to pay for that kids surgery, then he'll be closer to happiness. However, when it comes to what actually makes people happy, the self-esteem, you disregard it as if it is non-existent. Having money is a virtue to you. Having too much, a vice. Earning that money, an action that does not amount to anything. I judge that solely on your political stance, and the fact that you are so cynical (in the modern sense) when it comes to business men. You lump them all together and view them as people who tie others to machines to work long hours. However, you forget to mention the fact that you wish to tie them up to their machine too. Is their no double standard?

boo boo

Religion can become a government.

Again, I don't even know what the argument you're making here is, you're stating the obvious, just in a way that's harder to understand because your way of phrasing things is incredibly confusing.

So you admit he wants to go backwards instead of coming up with any progressive ideas.

Which btw reminds me, Paul wants to get rid of NASA too.

Try rephrasing this entire post, this time in a way that actually makes some damn sense.

I'm sorry if I believe a government is actually supposed to have a function, one that doesn't just include the protection of peoples rights, but even some forms of community service.

Wanting to disban the FBI and CIA is pretty much the definition of a ridiculously stingy psychopath.

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Inuzuka Skysword

If that is what you mean to say, then I could throw in any irrational movement, such as humanitarianism, and call it a government.


You act as if the government we live under will always be right. Even if it went by popular opinion, like a democracy should, we could still be in the wrong. My point is that you are so cynical of business and religion, but when it comes to our government you look at it as if it will always be doing the right thing.

Yes. I don't think Ron Paul is a great guy. I just think he is a better alternative than anyone right now. I don't like his religious tendencies or his subjective morality-libertarian views, but his political and economic philosophy is credible for the most part.

If you call getting in debt progressive, then Ron Paul is definitely your enemy. I never understood why that group of political ideas is called "Progressivism," when the heart of it is out to destroy the mind. I mean, when you tell someone to neglect themselves, you can expect to go backwards.

To put it in a basic form, your politics are based on no philosophy. You accept the fact that we are to live for others. You look down upon people who are selfish, greedy, and stingy. Why is it wrong, though? On what basis can you accuse someone for being evil when they are selfish?

Also, the idea that having the government run some areas of business is preposterous. What establishes the price for the government's work? Things like socialized health care are what I am mainly talking about because The doctors will not be able to gain more pay through competition. The doctor should be able to choose how much he wants to work for. If the government allowed him to do this, he could just rob the government of money because they would have to pay them. So the government will have to establish a price. How are they to find the right price? What is the right price? Is there an objective price for work, or is the value of work based on supply and demand?

The Unfan

The difference is that humanitarianism has no claims to moral absolutes, so it can't become a strict government.