Heaven and Hell

cavanherk · 06-19-2009, 11:31 AM

Rebirth. Buddhism has theory about rebirth. Ever consider that versus Heaven and Hell as extremes? Instead of Hell, there's a rebirth, not necessarily because one did something wrong, but because perhaps one did not open his mind to enough learning/realization etc. Instead of Heaven, there's some type of upward movement to a state of being DURING life, becoming a buddha, experiencing Nirvana or "Bodhi" or seamingly some kind of enlightenment, awakening or realization.

Not sure where it's supposed to go after that though...

Sorry I didn't answer the "what if" directly because I don't necessarily believe in the Heaven vs. Hell thing, you know?

Kool_Dude_HaMeR · 06-19-2009, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

Yes, Kool Dude, that's the hypothetical situation I was spinning off.

But my point is, IF, IF being the main word..

IF you could somehow feel/think things after you die, and you IF believed you'd go to heaven. Would you be pissed off?

yes, if i believed something was going to happen and it didn't i might be pissed off.

my point: I don’t believe that it will happen.

TheCunningStunt · 06-19-2009, 11:36 AM

I've experienced Nirvana!

I listen to Nevermind alot.

[ /ignorant stupid response]

Interesting theory, TheCunningStunt has a theory, imagine when you die, and you lie in your coffin, instead of going to heaven or hell. All you see is your life, like one big movie. That isn't really a theory, nor a belief, just a 'what if'. I think that'd be great.

I just imagne priests, take a vow of absenence, do everything right, pray, give his life to something that there's no proof of existence..

He dies. There's no reward.

God if that happened to me, I'd be so pissed off.

cavanherk · 06-19-2009, 12:00 PM

I'd be pissed, yes, if I applied myself so whole-heartedly into a religion only to, at death, be wrong, but of course this adds to the hypothesis the constant that I will be able to think about it at death....so how can I think after death? Too many questions and no answers. And so, I just try to enjoy myself as much as possible, singing songs and causing no fuss and no fight, just livin'.

AND yes, I would love to be able to watch my whole life as a movie...that would be incredible.

TheCunningStunt · 06-19-2009, 12:08 PM

I think that'd be more rewarding than going to heaven, to watch your life, every second of it, all the way up until you die.

I wonder if it was like a DVD, and you can hit "go interactive" and "special features" and "interviews with members of the cast"

cavanherk · 06-19-2009, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

I think that'd be more rewarding than going to heaven, to watch your life, every second of it, all the way up until you die.

I wonder if it was like a DVD, and you can hit "go interactive" and "special features" and "interviews with members of the cast"

As long as they have a fast forward button somehow. I mean, I would hate to have to watch myself at work or sleeping.

Neapolitan · 06-19-2009, 12:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

Interesting theory, TheCunningStunt has a theory, imagine when you die, and you lie in your coffin, instead of going to heaven or hell. All you see is your life, like one big movie. That isn't really a theory, nor a belief, just a 'what if'. I think that'd be great.

I just imagne priests, take a vow of absenence, do everything right, pray, give his life to something that there's no proof of existence..

He dies. There's no reward.

God if that happened to me, I'd be so pissed off.

Are you a theist or athiest? Because why would you use the word "God" if you don't believe in God??

absenence? The vows priest take are Poverty (or perfect charity), Chasity, Obedience. So if the priest dies with no one there to reward him, he lived the life he wanted.

What's important is not your destination but the road you travel.

TheCunningStunt · 06-19-2009, 12:26 PM

I'm athiest.

I use it as a figure of speech more than anything, like many athiests..

Priests also take a vow of celibacy.

Surely if a priest honestly lived their life with no love or sexytime or sin/guilt, to serve God, said priest would expect to be rewarded with eternal peace in heaven.

I think God is just a nice story, bible is a book of fairytales, God is something that makes children feel like if they do bad, God will punish them. He's an unpaid babysitter. Of course, I'm not a synic, I'm a bit ignorant to certain things in cristianity, but if I'm proved wrong one day, I'd love it. It'd be a great thing, the idea that someone is greater than us all, someone, or something actually made us all..

sleepy jack · 06-19-2009, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCunningStunt

I've experienced Nirvana!

I listen to Nevermind alot.

[ /ignorant stupid response]

Interesting theory, TheCunningStunt has a theory, imagine when you die, and you lie in your coffin, instead of going to heaven or hell. All you see is your life, like one big movie. That isn't really a theory, nor a belief, just a 'what if'. I think that'd be great.

I just imagne priests, take a vow of absenence, do everything right, pray, give his life to something that there's no proof of existence..

He dies. There's no reward.

God if that happened to me, I'd be so pissed off.

1. Your theory is a form of an afterlife and has no scientific backing or anything to support it whatsoever. What makes you so against the Christian belief of heaven but able to form your own beliefs about what happens? How is yours somehow more valid?

2. If you were actually an atheist then you wouldn't think that Priest wouldn't be pissed off. He'd live his life with his convictions in a completely holy manner and die thinking he would go to heaven and that would be the end of it. You can't be angry when you're nothing and no longer exist silly! You're a pretty shitty atheist.

Guybrush · 06-19-2009, 01:56 PM

I think the thing is that Cunning here doesn't believe in God, but he exists - or - he doesn't believe in an afterlife, but he's a bit scared there is one and what you experience after death is sentience without actually being able to do anything.

Well, not sure what you expect from us. It's a pretty wild idea. It's a bit like saying : What if when you die, you wake up and realize your whole life as a human was a dream. In fact, you are a princess in a fantasy world much like Lord of the Rings who was put to sleep by a witch's spell.

I can say it's probably not like that, but I'm not sure if that makes you feel better.

06-19-2009, 01:56 PM	#20 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	I think the thing is that Cunning here doesn't believe in God, but he exists - or - he doesn't believe in an afterlife, but he's a bit scared there is one and what you experience after death is sentience without actually being able to do anything. Well, not sure what you expect from us. It's a pretty wild idea. It's a bit like saying : What if when you die, you wake up and realize your whole life as a human was a dream. In fact, you are a princess in a fantasy world much like Lord of the Rings who was put to sleep by a witch's spell. I can say it's probably not like that, but I'm not sure if that makes you feel better. __________________ Something Completely Different

06-19-2009, 11:31 AM	#11 (permalink)
cavanherk barefoot troubadour Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 143	Rebirth. Buddhism has theory about rebirth. Ever consider that versus Heaven and Hell as extremes? Instead of Hell, there's a rebirth, not necessarily because one did something wrong, but because perhaps one did not open his mind to enough learning/realization etc. Instead of Heaven, there's some type of upward movement to a state of being DURING life, becoming a buddha, experiencing Nirvana or "Bodhi" or seamingly some kind of enlightenment, awakening or realization. Not sure where it's supposed to go after that though... Sorry I didn't answer the "what if" directly because I don't necessarily believe in the Heaven vs. Hell thing, you know?

06-19-2009, 11:36 AM	#13 (permalink)
TheCunningStunt love will tear you apart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Manchester, UK. Posts: 5,107	I've experienced Nirvana! I listen to Nevermind alot. [ /ignorant stupid response] Interesting theory, TheCunningStunt has a theory, imagine when you die, and you lie in your coffin, instead of going to heaven or hell. All you see is your life, like one big movie. That isn't really a theory, nor a belief, just a 'what if'. I think that'd be great. I just imagne priests, take a vow of absenence, do everything right, pray, give his life to something that there's no proof of existence.. He dies. There's no reward. God if that happened to me, I'd be so pissed off.

06-19-2009, 12:00 PM	#14 (permalink)
cavanherk barefoot troubadour Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 143	I'd be pissed, yes, if I applied myself so whole-heartedly into a religion only to, at death, be wrong, but of course this adds to the hypothesis the constant that I will be able to think about it at death....so how can I think after death? Too many questions and no answers. And so, I just try to enjoy myself as much as possible, singing songs and causing no fuss and no fight, just livin'. AND yes, I would love to be able to watch my whole life as a movie...that would be incredible.

06-19-2009, 12:08 PM	#15 (permalink)
TheCunningStunt love will tear you apart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Manchester, UK. Posts: 5,107	I think that'd be more rewarding than going to heaven, to watch your life, every second of it, all the way up until you die. I wonder if it was like a DVD, and you can hit "go interactive" and "special features" and "interviews with members of the cast"

06-19-2009, 12:26 PM	#18 (permalink)
TheCunningStunt love will tear you apart Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Manchester, UK. Posts: 5,107	I'm athiest. I use it as a figure of speech more than anything, like many athiests.. Priests also take a vow of celibacy. Surely if a priest honestly lived their life with no love or sexytime or sin/guilt, to serve God, said priest would expect to be rewarded with eternal peace in heaven. I think God is just a nice story, bible is a book of fairytales, God is something that makes children feel like if they do bad, God will punish them. He's an unpaid babysitter. Of course, I'm not a synic, I'm a bit ignorant to certain things in cristianity, but if I'm proved wrong one day, I'd love it. It'd be a great thing, the idea that someone is greater than us all, someone, or something actually made us all..