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yeah, that 6 million sure is 90% of 11 million total.

Oh yeah, oops.

I'll take the heat on that. :(

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 679284)

I don't really understand how one can claim ownership over an event. If it's because of their amount of involvement then the Nazis executed it. So doesn't that mean any surviving Nazis, or their ancestors, or Neo-Nazis, or anti-Semites should have a say in what goes as well?

As others have said, because they made up the largest percentage of the body count, and because much of what is made known publicly, through text, television, etc. about the concentration camps comes from a Jewish point of view, they claim "intellectual ownership" over the event because in a sense it has been handed to them. This is not to say I agree with this, I find it rather disgusting, but when was the last time you saw a documentary on the history channel or read a book about the holocaust that came from the point of view of say a Slavic Catholic, or a Gypsy?

What I'm getting at is, while no, the Jewish community does not deserve absolute representation over the numerous other groups targeted in the Holocaust, that's sort of how it has played out.

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 679226)

. I understand, the Jewish population were the largest victimized group but to treat it like somehow that means the other victims didn't exist or don't deserve the same level of honoring is offensive and bigoted.

The Russians were victimized more than the jews, at least by the sheer number killed. Granted they are somewhat overlapping (Jewish Russians).

...and so were the Chinese massacred at the hands of the Japanese (~10 million).

those are usually referred to as separate incidents for a reason, "the Holocaust" almost always pays reference to the genocide enacted by the Nazis during the 1930s through WWII.

I'm Jewish and the park thing is stupid. Jews spend far too much time asserting their identities in line with the holocaust, especially when their lives weren't effected directly whatsoever (three or four generations later). The holocaust is also far too often used as justification for all kinds of bull****. "Oh, tons of us got killed, so let's bomb the King David hotel. Let's kick some arabs out of their houses because we need a place to live. Let's build settlements on territory that isn't ours. Because we have a right to it."

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Originally Posted by PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe (Post 679561)

but when was the last time you saw a documentary on the history channel or read a book about the holocaust that came from the point of view of say a Slavic Catholic, or a Gypsy?

That's the problem. This isn't nascent information. We've known since the forties that homosexuals and the like were also persecuted with everyone else, but they don't get any of the small bits of retribution that the Jews have gotten in the following decades. Now they're trying to outright prohibit it? 'the fuck outta here with that shit.