Minutes silences for particular events....

~~Gareth Brown~~ · 06-09-2009, 08:36 PM

What if their life or death means nothing to me? What if i support the reason that they died? I'm not saying i don't want minutes silences because it inconviniences me, i just don't want to be forced into acknolding respect for something i do not respect.

**Janszoon** · 06-09-2009, 08:42 PM

Oh man you know what I hate? Waiting at a green light for a funeral to pass by. I mean, like, I probably didn't know the person or anything, why should I have to sit at a light for like a whole minute?

~~Gareth Brown~~ · 06-09-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Oh man you know what I hate? Waiting at a green light for a funeral to pass by. I mean, like, I probably didn't know the person or anything, why should I have to sit at a light for like a whole minute?

Not remotely the same thing. A moments silence is forced upon you rather than something passing by that you have to briefly endure and it tangles you with a particular cause or event and assumes your regret that said event took place.

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

Respect for the dead is respect for the dead. It doesn't matter if your personal politics or beliefs don't align with those of the bereaved. You honor their feelings and sense of loss regardless and know they would do the same for you. There's no means of justifying showing a lack of respect toward someone that has suffered a loss through tragedy, no matter how "right" you are in your beliefs.

Nah i don't agree with that. I don't want to be instructed on how i should honor a particular event and if i supported the cause then i supported the deaths, not having a moments silence doesn't mean that i have been disrespectful either. And frankly i don't agree with respect for the dead in all circumstances. Theres many people that i would be pretty happy to see meet a swift death.

**Janszoon** · 06-09-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gareth Brown

Not remotely the same thing. A moments silence is forced upon you rather than something passing by that you have to briefly endure and it tangles you with a particular cause or event and assumes your regret that said event took place.

You're right, briefly enduring a pause in your day out of respect for the dead is completely different from briefly enduring a pause in your day out of respect for the dead.

~~Gareth Brown~~ · 06-09-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

You're right, briefly enduring a pause in your day out of respect for the dead is completely different from briefly enduring a pause in your day out of respect for the dead.

Its the reason that your enduring a pause in your day though, thats the key difference.

**Janszoon** · 06-09-2009, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Gareth Brown

Its the reason that your enduring a pause in your day though, thats the key difference.

The reason in both cases is that someone died. Pretty simple.

~~Gareth Brown~~ · 06-09-2009, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

The reason in both cases is that someone died. Pretty simple.

'sigh'. I'm not sure you quite follow my reasoning here.

SATCHMO · 06-09-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Gareth Brown

What if their life or death means nothing to me? What if i support the reason that they died? I'm not saying i don't want minutes silences because it inconviniences me, i just don't want to be forced into acknolding respect for something i do not respect.

Respect for the dead is respect for the dead. It doesn't matter if your personal politics or beliefs don't align with those of the bereaved. You honor their feelings and sense of loss regardless and know they would do the same for you. There's no means of justifying showing a lack of respect toward someone that has suffered a loss through tragedy, no matter how "right" you are in your beliefs.

mr dave · 06-10-2009, 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Gareth Brown

What if their life or death means nothing to me? What if i support the reason that they died? I'm not saying i don't want minutes silences because it inconviniences me, i just don't want to be forced into acknolding respect for something i do not respect.

if this is a major stumbling block in your personal development you WILL have a very hard time dealing with the realities of being an independent adult.

whether or not you agree to it is irrelevant. your ability to shut the hole on your face for a minute is.

seriously, enjoy your mcjob because no one will hire you to do anything more significant than flipping a burger with that attitude.

~~Gareth Brown~~ · 06-10-2009, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

if this is a major stumbling block in your personal development you WILL have a very hard time dealing with the realities of being an independent adult.

whether or not you agree to it is irrelevant. your ability to shut the hole on your face for a minute is.

seriously, enjoy your mcjob because no one will hire you to do anything more significant than flipping a burger with that attitude.

Jesus ****ing christ. I've explained my reasoning and whi i think this is wrong and i've certainly highlighted that it goes beyond me not being able to shut up for a couple of minutes.

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

I know where you're going with this and if we were discussing the details of said event I would probably agree with the way you feel about it, bu that is not the issue. The event that gets "observed" with the moment of silence is usually the one that has the greater affect on the lives of the people in the immediate group in question. My point is in a situation such as that its not about who suffered a greater loss or which loss was the most tragic or the least justified. Its about being respectful of the feelings and the losses of those who are immediately around you, because you would want them to do the same if the situation were reversed even if they haven't or wouldn't in reality, and that transcends politics, nationality, religion, or anything else.

There we are. A fairly intelligent argument that goes beyond 'u r so stupid u shud kep ure trahp sht 4 2 minits lool 11!1!11!' . I see what you're saying here but i still have to disagree.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

This thread is an example of how selfish people can be. "Why should I give a dead person a minutes silence when I don't even know/care about them?" - it's one freaking minute. If you can't allow one minute of your precious 1440 minutes of your day to think about someone else that had personal experiences that you could learn from/admire, then you've got serious issues. It's nice to care about what other people have fought for, accomplished, or suffered because of, because it helps you find peace within yourself and how you live your life. Problems you have might not seem so bad in retrospect to those who have died.

But whatever, if you want to have your precious minute then I hope it's good for you.

Ok i don't know why i'm bothering with this still, BUT. Say i agree with 9/11, i think it was a just cause and i have absolutely no sympathy/respect for those who died. Now, why should i have to....you know what forget it i cba with this nonsense i've put my cards on the table, if you still refuse to read them and ignorantly dub it as selfishness then thats your call.

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~~Gareth Brown~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 295	What if their life or death means nothing to me? What if i support the reason that they died? I'm not saying i don't want minutes silences because it inconviniences me, i just don't want to be forced into acknolding respect for something i do not respect.