Don't Ask Don't Tell

sleepy jack · 05-15-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bane of your existence

Who in the military says they're fighting Muslims for God?

"We hunt people for Jesus.... That's what we do." | Slog | The Stranger

This isn't even something that's new. There's a deliberate attempt by evangelicals to create "military missionaries" and they've passed out more than bibles; there was one instance where they passed out comics of Muhammad burning in hell. They do all this in full US military uniform. One side of this war already is convinced this is a cosmic war and a crusade. We don't need guys in Jesus jerseys to vindicate this ideology. It's counterproductive.

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Originally Posted by Veridical Fiction

I see what you're saying, but as with a lot of other things humans aren't getting right, it's going to take some time before we see a non-discriminating military.
At least there's somewhat of a middle-ground that allows homosexuals to serve in the military at all, albeit under a requirement to not be one's self.
But in that context, and I can tell you from experience, the military is the LAST place you'll ever be able to express any individuality whether it's sexual in nature or not.
I don't agree with the sexual part, but as far as everything else, it just wouldn't be a very effective military if it wasn't strictly controlled.

That's not the point. Obama said he was going to abolish this pointless policy and he's already said he's staying out of this situation. I don't want to hear "oh that's just election talk" if he's going to claim to be the left's white knight he needs to stop talking about it and start acting it.

The individualistic argument strikes me as silly - you're allowed to be openly heterosexual but not openly homosexual? How is one more individualistic than the other? Because it isn't the societal norm? It's absurd to treat it like they're both anything more than biological conditions which can't and shouldn't be hidden and shunned in the corner based on what certain facets of society deem as "moral" or immoral."

Dan Choi Explains 'Why I Cannot Stay Quiet' - ABC News

There's more than that; it's not a simple case of keeping "I'm gay" quiet. As Choi points out you have to hide the fact you have a boyfriend, whereas heterosexuals can be as open as they want about their wives and girlfriends. It isn't fair in the slightest and Obama's pussying out shouldn't be excused.

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