Yeah, wrong smiley. ;)

Incidentally, how physical do people get when they're flirting and what would you consider inappropriate as far as come-ons from members of the same-sex?

It's been a while since I've been posting, my smiley game will be up and running correctly soon enough.

Dont ask Dont tell is ridiculous. It's no more legitmate than segregation, in fact it is segregation. Being in the military, and knowing many fellow service members who happen to be homo's, I believe you should be able to be open with it. I know one of my good friends in our unit who happens to be lesbian and has to conceal it as having a "roomate", and can't recieve the military benefits of being married like a straight couple can. It's unbelieveable that the Obama Administraion and the state of California, two of the most forward thinking goverment entities in the world, are now lapsing on the *** marriage and open military issues.

The highlighted lines were some I took umbridge with. I wouldn't call them enlightened or even decent. Who does that to anyone, period?

Screw with someone until you've had your fun? And why do you suppose their "checking out your sweaty body?"

I flirt with women...http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/c...wer/neznam.gif

well we all know you're a douche, I think you're proving my point.

What I meant by that is I may jokingly make comments that may lead someone to misread my sexual orientation.

As far as the sweaty body comment, it was supposed to mean I'm not threatened if I happen to be found attractive by a homosexual. I didn't think I'd have to explain that I didn't mean it literally.

I believe they want to prevent sexual relationships between soldiers. That is why they keep men and women seperate. Unethical maybe, but it makes practical sense. I don't think people should get their feathers ruffled by this. It's not like there are not *** people currently serving, it's just a policy of keeping your sexual preferences to yourself.

The romans seemed to think it promoted better on field fighting, and they dominated the known world.

Maybe we need more homosexuals in the military if we're going to win a multi-fronted war.

Oh Brennan...I am lost, where is your momentum pushing this?

Sacred Band Of Thebes...look them up on wikipedia or something. They were Greek, but still.

But Romans were great for different reasons...

look who up on Wikipedia? Are you saying the Romans didn't?

They don't keep men and women separate, except for sleeping quarters obviously. (And also the slowly changing women in combat situation)
In fact, the only relationships that are prohibited between men and women in the armed forces are those between enlisted and officers, and those between non-commissioned officers and lower enlisted in the same unit. For instance: In the Army, as an E-4 or below, you would not be able to get with an E-5 or above.
It's simply a matter of avoiding favoritism within a unit. (which still goes on, both racially and sexually)

The homosexuality issue lies more at the heart of our still prevalent nonacceptance of the concept. When the military is involved with those matters, they are generally "allowed" to be more stringent than civilian life because of the detrimental roles of the men and women comprising such strictly controlled institutions.
Regardless of the obvious contradictory nature of the whole matter in relation to heterosexuals being able to express their sexuality, not to mention how African Americans' involvement in the military became common, we're still able to recognize the fact that it will take some time before this situation is rectified.

I see ourselves as a society becoming more accepting of homosexual rights and I think it's a good thing. I'm willing to bet everything that this whole issue will be resolved in time. All we can do until then is continue to educate people and provide insights into this kind of thing.

We all know it happens anyway though. especially on ships on deployment. Little E-2 and E-3 girls are always getting caught messing around with officers. Sometimes it get swept under the rug, I'm not exactly sure if any exchange of favors takes place but the whole thing is normally pretty shady. It's also no coincidence that the CO's assistant is always the most attractive female with an admin related rate. Sex plays a super huge role in the NAvy for sure.

Really? That would have been the only branch I'd have joined too. Had an air of merit-based-promotions to it.

Thats disappointing to hear.

Ugghhhh I hate this terrible homophobic rant, a very common one made by 'I don't have any problems with gays except...' people.

Yeah big time. My LPO is a first class married to a master chief(totally against regulations E-6/E-9). lets just say she didn't make first class until after they were married. Thats how it goes. Attractive females have it the absolute best in todays navy.

2,000 people stuck in tight quarters with each other for six months at a time?

you'd be crazy to think there wouldn't be some hippity dippity going on.

More like upwards of 6 thousand on deployment with full air crew on board. But of course theres going to be hippity dippity going on. Just remember there's 7 hotdogs for every 1 bun... and highest rank gets first dibs. Think of it that way.

I see.

Now what if I'm a low rank, lets say E-2, but I'm stunningly attractive. Could I get some officer tail on the sly and make like nothing happened or would said officer find out and feed me to a shark?

Probably not. Like I said there are no shortage of guys. Why would a female officer choose you (whom she could get an OTH for sleeping with) over a fellow officer who not only she wont get in trouble with, but probably has a better chance of getting with her anyway. I mean think about it, they make it really hard for something like that to happen. Officers have different quarters, different mess deck, seperate offices, and generally aren't found conversating with enlisted personnel outside of duties. So even striking up a flirtatious conversation with said officer without raising suspision is going to be a task. Not to mention the other 6 officer dudes trying to get with the same chick who you somehow have to convince not to turn you both in for fraternization if even so much as a back scratching were to be found out about. Basically what im saying is on a ship deployment its pretty much high school except all the cool kids are the officers and they have too much power. All the same factors still apply, hot girls have the ultimate advantage, ass-kissers still exsist, you still have a ton of narcs willing to spill the beans the first chance they get to look good and the administration is still corrupt as hell. There's alot of drama and the best way to deal with it is to stay out of it. That's why I don't mess with NAVY chicks. Bad news, bad bad news.

I meant if I could sleep with another low rank who was sleeping with an officer.

Best alternative phrase for sexual intercourse I've ever heard.

It's exactly the same way in the Army.

There's a saying we used to toss around when we'd see a hot female who was high ranking: "She worked under the desk, now she works behind it."
It seems sexist at first glance, but statistically, it's all too true.
That's just how they get "a head".
tisk tisk tisk...

Oh yeah more than likely, they're Navy chicks dude, they'll do whatever. Odds are if the officer has half a brain he not trying to get serious with her anyway. Yeah so if shes putting out to one guy there's probably 2 or 3 more getting the same. You could be one of those guys.

I couldn't agree with you more. Like I said my LPO married a damn MC to make rank. when does it end?

Air Force is different. Rank is based entirely on test scores, time in grade, and EPR's. Sleeping with an officer wont help either. (maybe effect your EPR slightly, but it's doubtful) I had something going with my OIC when I first got in. All I got was an annoying clingy girl that thought there was nothing weird about messing around with her annoying little yippy dog crawling on top while we were doing stuff. I still had to wait the three years to put on E-4 like everyone else, and still had to wait the year and a half and get the score to put on E-5 recently.

That's a hardcore leftie socialist for ya.

Anywho. Just for fun.

Damn dude, thats risky buisness. I put on E-4 in 7 months (no big deal) and Navy does advancement exams also. But evaluations weigh very heavily on advancement as well. Basically it comes down to a decision board that decides who make it and who doesn't by looking at you on paper. So if you have the person writing you eval in your pocket then you have a serious advantage even if you test like a rock. Maybe in the air force its different, in fact im almost sure of it. But regardless, my point is that in the Navy, favoritism is a fairly big issue.

p.s. Is it rue you guys take your PRT on bikes?

The army's method of advancement is truly jacked up.
E1-E4 is automatic unless you're flagged for fuckin' up... which is ok. But to advance from E4 to E5 (NCO from there up), you need the obvious time in grade / time in service, and... points.
Some MOS' points are extremely high (798) and some are low, which is dependent on how many slots for E-5 there currently is in the MOS.
To obtain these points, all you do is take a crap-load of army correspondence courses (which is a matter of copy+pasting from answer discs), score well on PT, marksmanship, plus any awards you have, and turn them into S-2 and they add to your points based on that.
After that, you go to a promotion board, in which the panel asks you a bunch of stupid questions. If you go to a board, you automatically get more points. If they decide to say you're promotable, then all you have to do from that point is wait until the point cutoff drops for your MOS. Then you're promoted. OR... you can get an auto promotion if your MOS needs more NCO's.
The reason this is jacked up, is any piece of shit E-4 can easily become an lower end NCO... NCO's are the guys doing the leadership. What you end up with is a bunch of 20 year old kids wearing stripes and setting all the wrong examples, making bad decisions, etc.
The process is the same for advancement to E-6.
E-7 and up is a selection process, and it revolves around your "NCOER" (kinda like a record of your accomplishments and fuck ups... and a photograph of yourself. If you don't look like upper enlisted material, you simply don't make it.

Oh, and I wish we did PT tests on a bike. That would have been sweet.

I wish we did PT tests on bikes too, but alas, it is a rumor I'm guessing started by you Army fucks (veridical).
AF doesn't have evaluation boards until you get up into SNCO ranks. For E-5 and E-6, you just use your score and your EPR. Most everyone gets 5's on their EPR's, which is max, so that's why it doesn't matter if you've kissed ass or not. That score's probably the same for everyone. So all you really have to go on is scores and time in grade.

Whaa?
So I'm guessing Navy guys don't really have sex with each other for PT tests, and Marines don't really have timed kitten stomping sessions for PT... and AF guys run!

What a lie I've been living.
This changes everything.
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http://www.spaceg.com/multimedia/col...y%20Strong.jpg

So I'm guessing this isn't normal?

thats amazing.

Hahahaha...
No, it's not normal. There are some bigguns in the Army, but they don't last very long. Once they pop tape, it's off to special populations... Guys like the one in that picture wouldn't have enough time in his entire military career to get back to a proper weight.

:laughing:

Classic.

Is that Private Pyle?

It's a pile of something.

Bahahahahahahahahahaha