Meaning you support the ban?

No, I'm really indifferent on it. I can see both sides and the reasoning behind both. It doesn't anger that it's still there, but if it was repealed I probably wouldn't care either.

The majority of the Seal guys I'm fairly close with would rather it stay, though. And their reasoning was similar to what VF pointed out but in more detail.

I hear ya.
We're still fucking up as a country when it comes down to hypocrisy. We can target a lot of things that need changing, and the homosexual policy in the U.S. military is definitely one of them.
Eventually we're going to get it right.
I hope sooner rather than later.

cool, i watched the daily show last night too ethan.

So you basically don't care about state sanctioned homophobia. Kewlt.

Is it height discrimination that if you are over a certain height you can't join the Air Force? Sometimes traits that happen at birth and you can do nothing about inhibit you to do a certain job, or inhibit upon others to do their job.

If the people that are actually out there doing the job tell me that it would cause a difference in the job they do, then I'm fine with how it is. And I don't get the whole race discrimination point, the armed forces were segregated for quite some time.

And now they're not. Still don't see my point here?

Incidentally, I wouldn't mind hearing those more detailed explanations from actual service men on why gays shouldn't serve in the army.

I'm in Iraq right now. I've known a pretty good number of *** guys in the service.
Pretty much what happens is everyone on our level knows, they just can't "officially" bring it to light to the higher ups. Everyone gets along. So as far as cohesion goes, that's not the real reason. It's image.

Right, and to your point it too quite some time to desegregate after they became full rights protected citizens. So wouldn't it be safe to assume that it's going to take some time before ***s get the same rights in the military?

I try to talk with my seal buddies tonight, but most of the time they're a bit hammered by the time I get to the oceanfront so I'm not sure I'll get the best responses.

Took more time? Military was far more progressive than the rest of the country when it came to desegrigation. The units were desegrigated, as well as enlisted clubs and hang out spots years before the rest of the country did it. This is all fresh in my head because we got visited by five of the orignal Tuskegee Airmen a couple weeks ago.