I would put the POS guy that got a 34 on his asvab who is forced to frontline gruntism more honorable than a man that works out and trains twelve hours a day to tip toe around in spec ops. Along with a million other rates, FMF Coreman being next on the list.

You don't seem to have much of a grip on what the spec ops does which is understandable.

Not to mention I never said one was more honorable than the other, just which one requires more cohesion between the units. But just wow if you believe spec ops is tip toeing around.

That's bullshit. Reversing a policy doesn't take that much time (and he did it regularly with Bush policies) and dealing with this Choi situation would only take a few minutes for him to make a statement - a few minutes he instead took to say he wouldn't intervene. There's no excuse for his hypocrisy.

Also don't really understand the Bush parallel in the first post. This policy was started under Clinton...unless you were relaying the getting away with murder to another event?

Ok, on second thought, it really would be nice to hear how and why those SEALs feel that the presence of homosexuals in the unit breaks its cohesion and inhibits them from doing their job.

That was me criticizing the President for talking about accountability/transparency and then hiding torture memos, pictures and other things. I see no way for a country to get past that issue without an actual discussion of it; a discussion which he doesn't seem to want to have which is contrary to the ideals he ran on.

While I agree they should get out in time, do you not see the obvious harm and backlash that troops overseas who never partook in any of those malicious acts would be put in if those pictures were released.

Do they need to get out? I'd say yes, but I'm not sure I'd say now is the right time. That of course raises the question of when the right time is, and that's a difficult question.

And adidasss I'll try to get those answers next time I see any of them.

Um no I don't see the harm. Everyone's fully aware there was some level of punishment in there and that it's an old incident. I don't see how any rational person could all the sudden start criticizing the military upon the release of these pictures.

I think now is the perfect time. Were involved in two wars and we need to decide how were going to operate as a country. I don't see how we can go beyond with the issue without any sort of national discussion on it or how we can put it on hold any longer.

Personally, yeah, their's gonna be a backlash. Sleepy, Taliban doesn't "start criticizing the military." They gain support and will shoot all of their *** ass ancient weaponry at American bases. But they absolutely need to come out, now. We need to get our hands dirty in order to restore our image. I am personally willing to get shot at a little more in order for those pictures to be released. We voted for change, the government should act based on the desicions of the people, not work to "protect them from themselves."

I was (rather egocentrically/ignorantly) thinking only of the Western world when he said backlash (and when I responded to it) my bad.

I don't even remember my Ship number lol but I remember my division number....I lucked out....I was in a co-ed division. lucky bastards, we didn't have a single one that we could use on sundays.....the only difference on sundays is that we could take an hour long shower if we wanted to. Which we would because that whole shower, shit and shave in 15mins wasn't cutting it.

I don't blame him....he's a politician. He is suppose to be somewhat of a hypocrite. It comes with the territory. He may want to do one thing but then his advisory staff may give him reasons why he shouldn't act on those decisions. He does have the choice to ignore them and do what he wishes but like I said there are other pressing issues that have higher priority. When you are president you can take the short amount of time it takes to reverse said policy.

Definitely can see where you're coming from on that. It's a fine line he's got to tip toe down [President]. If he releases those photos and there are major uproars/riots in Iraq and the troops see a death toll rise in any significant fashion he's going to catch a ton of heat for it. If he doesn't release them he's going to also catch heat for it. So goes the fun in being potus.

Yeah I was in a newer ship, it wasnt really a single shower it was meant for about 5 people, but on Sundays if you didn't have to shower with other men you didnt. I would have loved to be in a co-ed div, i was in 156. I remember even the butt ugliest girls were fine as hell after about a month.

Get your argument straight. He's either too busy bailing out wall street or he's a hypocrite. You can't have it both ways because they're contradictory statements; though your last sentence shows you seem to enjoy some level of cognitive dissonance.

I dont mind *** ppl. I just dont really wanna shower with them if its all the same to you guys. In the military we have no privacy. I know that sounds *** but really.. When you were in highschool would you have wanted to know that one of your fellow football players was ***? Nah i think you would feel really weird about it.

If you're an adult who's brain is still stuck at high school level thinking you're too dumb to be defending our country. Go play tiddlywinks with someone else, thanks.

I assume you are a offended *** male... Once again I dont mind that at all I just dont feel like being eyeballed by a guy. Thats just how i feel. What i dont know wont hurt or offend me. Don't you see that??? You can be as mad as you wanna be.

@ Ethan

In the future when you make these threads, I'd encourage you to use your mod privileges to erase all the posts that are irrelevant to the conversation, the issue gets lost in pissing contests and one-liners.

Who the Hell do you think I am? Adidass?

Take it how you want im not trying to offend you im just being honest. How would you feel as a *** man around a bunch of women/???

I think what The Unfan is trying to tell you is that he's not a homosexual. I am, and I can tell you that I'd be equally uncomfortable taking a shower with women as with men, straight or otherwise.

If you're not comfortable with your sexuality that's your problem. Despite my straightness if another guy found me attractive I'd be flattered. If someone is *** they should be able to be open about it. It isn't the government's place to stifle discussion on non-issues.

About as simple as it can be put

Sorry... Thats only one opinion. I dont like the idea of being hit on by another dude. I assume a homosexual male can spot another homosexual male from miles. I do know that sometimes they can seek what they cant have and that makes me a little uncomfortable.

because all homosexual men dress up in designer clothing and speak like women. Of course...

I am curious though...guys are supposed to be okay with ***s in the locker rooms and showers, but girls and guys can't share locker rooms or showers? Why is this?

Yes, that is true, we are equipped with long range beacons. I can usually sense another homosexual up to 1.7 kilometers on a clear day.
In other words, you're a little bitch that's scared of gay people...

Being hit on and not liking it is a part of life, it's your issue not someone theirs. Choosing which sex can and can't hit on you is ignorant and bigoted plain and simple, it's one opinion and the only one that is correct.


How do you think hot chicks feel around you.

As soon as the first gay on straight shower rape outside of prison occurs I'll give your concern more then a second of thought.

Societal standards are weird.

I'm not trying to be bigoted, I just think it's a bit hypocritical.

If the idea is that no one who is sexually attracted to a certain gender should shower with that gender then I think it has to do with convenience because that means no homosexual could shower with anyone besides themselves and creating a bunch of single shower stalls specifically for homosexuals wouldn't be fair.

Black folks got reparations, I say it's time we give homosexuals their very own shower stalls.
:D

Please explain this. This is astonishing to me. Does it apply to other things, not just particular sexes but sizes, etc?

I think the man was trying to say that straight people shouldn't feel threatened by gay people hitting on them. I get hit on by straight women and don't freak out about it. Hell, it's kinda flattering...:\

The guy is afraid of getting raped apparently. Pshh.
I don't understand how people could possibly be afraid of a homosexual person.
Look at my sweaty body all you want, I'm not going to go Gestapo on another person's sexual interest. I'll be flattered, and I may lead on, but eventually, I'm going to draw a line that separates my ass from a dick in it.

I don't even know why I'm typing all this. Sexual preference is a constant, but any advances I get from a gay guy is just going to be met with a friendly conversation. If I weren't so sure about my own sexuality, I might be threatened, but since that's not the case, well... let 'er rip.

Women and men large and small can hit on me. That doesn't mean they're getting any.

lol.

Was this supposed to be forward thinking and enlightened?

Compared to the person he was referring to, yes, most definitely. You don't think so?

Right...I'm sensing my idea of "getting hit on" is a more physical one than a come up and trying to start up some conversation at a bar.

And to whoever was after that....yes, deathly afraid of getting raped. :wave:

Wow. Do gay men often rape straight men where you're from?

The being deathly afraid was completely sarcastic. Thought my little waving guy gave that away. Guess not.