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blastingas10 02-02-2012 07:46 PM

He has to say yes, otherwise his opinions on the subject will be completely discredited.

Stephen 02-02-2012 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1149425)
That must be a relatively rare case.

Not as rare as you'd think. I had two friends hospitalised. They were both subsequently diagnosed with schizophrenia but who knows what role marijuana had in the emergence of their symptoms. I know that whenever they give in to temptation and start smoking again they will very quickly relapse into a psychotic state.

someonecompletelyrandom 02-02-2012 08:46 PM

Ah, well that's it right there. Psychoactive substances tend to encourage people pre-disposed to conditions like schizophrenia to show symptoms. Drugs aren't for everybody.

Howard the Duck 02-02-2012 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1149425)
That must be a relatively rare case.

Well it's only natural to get angry when someone tries to take something of yours. I also know many pot-heads that are more than happy to share their stash and smoke generously with others.

i'm one of those where weed brought out my secret schizophrenia

blastingas10 02-02-2012 09:08 PM

^ Shrooms did that for me.

I know weed can do that. But alcohol can also bring out peoples inner raging lunatic, and I think that's a little more common.

Odyshape 02-02-2012 10:10 PM

any kind of smoke drives my sinuses crazy and I get massive nosebleeds that being said I really do think its fine and should be legalized. I believe it by next generation it probably will be in the US

Guybrush 02-03-2012 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by fazstp (Post 1149422)
Having seen people hospitalised in psych wards I can't agree with it's harmless status. I know not everyone will be susceptible but in those that are it can be incredibly harmful.

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Originally Posted by fazstp (Post 1149438)
Not as rare as you'd think. I had two friends hospitalised. They were both subsequently diagnosed with schizophrenia but who knows what role marijuana had in the emergence of their symptoms. I know that whenever they give in to temptation and start smoking again they will very quickly relapse into a psychotic state.

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Originally Posted by Il Duce
i'm one of those where weed brought out my secret schizophrenia

Wow, it's nice to see someone acknowledge that there are potentially very real and harmful side effects to pot smoking. It's like the myth that it is harmless is being religiously perpetuated by every user out there.

I believe the most common problem for people who have smoked is anxiety, but as you mention, there are other possibilities. I know there was a recently a documentary on the telly about the link between cannabis and schizophrenia, but I did not watch it. Possibly I'll have to see if I can dig that up again. Many other studies have shown cannabis to be a schizophrenia risk factor (example), but it's like users don't want to acknowledge their existence.

I don't really believe in the "alcohol is okay so why shouldn't cannabis be?" argument because I figure you should look at the effect cannabis legalization has on society and try and decide based on that, regardless of whether or not we like alcohol. If alcohol is bad, should that justify the legalization of another bad? What kind of thinking is that?

Still, people love to justify legalization of alcohol by comparing it to cannabis. It's true, alcohol causes a lot of ****, but at least its effects are more predictable. The thing about cannabis is you don't necessarily know before smoking if it's gonna make you sick or not.

Regardless, if it's better for american society to legalize, I'd be behind that. Perhaps it is. From here, seeing how it's been tackled so far in the US seems to be the most ridiculous part of it. Locking smokers up with hard boiled criminals so that they can have a much worse impact on society once they come out sounds like the stupidest thing you could do. The american idea of prison as a place of punishment is really old and really doesn't do the nation any good. In my opinion, someone who has done jail time should be changed into a better citizen when he comes out, not a worse one. In the long run that's cheaper on society than having prisons bursting at the seams with repeat offenders.

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Of course, if it does become legal, they should put "may trigger anxiety or schizophrenia" on the packets, just like cigs have the lung cancer warning. ;)

blastingas10 02-03-2012 02:26 AM

If people have the right to drink alcohol then we should also have the right to smoke weed. I understand the, "why should we legalize another harmful substance?" point of view. But, **** that. If marijuana is illegal then alcohol should be as well. If we really want to better society, keeping marijuana illegal isn't the way to do it. If we really want to better society then we would add alcohol to that list of illegal substances. Especially when you consider alcohol is much more harmful than marijuana. The reasons for the legal statuses of marijuana and alcohol clearly have nothing to do with peoples rights or the harm the substances can cause.

Guybrush 02-03-2012 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by blastingas10 (Post 1149498)
If people have the right to drink alcohol then we should also have the right to smoke weed. I understand the, "why should we legalize another harmful substance?" point of view. But, **** that. If marijuana is illegal then alcohol should be as well. If we really want to better society, keeping marijuana illegal isn't the way to do it. If we really want to better society then we would add alcohol to that list of illegal substances. Especially when you consider alcohol is much more harmful than marijuana. The reasons for the legal statuses of marijuana and alcohol clearly have nothing to do with peoples rights or the harm the substances can cause.

So the effect legalization has on society is not really important. It's about principle? If you legalize one bad thing, you have to allow another just because? I'm glad I don't live in a nation ruled by you, blastingas.

In my opinion, consequences and not principles are always the important thing. You want the best long-term consequences. If that's legalization, go for it - if not, then don't.

blastingas10 02-03-2012 02:37 AM

I didn't say that. It doesn't even have to be legalized, decriminalized is just fine. My point is if you want to smoke some weed, you should have every right to do so and shouldn't be considered a criminal. Until your weed smoking causes harm to anyone else, then it shouldn't be a problem at all.

Anyway, when your country is in as much debt as America, it doesn't make much sense to continue spending over 40 billion dollars a year on the war on pot. It's such a waste of taxpayers money. Keeping it illegal is hurting America a lot more than it's helping. It's not really helping anything.


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