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Old 11-04-2010, 08:41 PM   #421 (permalink)
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I think here's the big issue... America is based off the premise of being the 'land of the free.' Millions and millions of people migrated here for different freedoms that their homelands didn't provide.
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So to me, it doesn't make sense that the 'land of the free' doesn't allow an individual to do something that is not harmful to others. Or even really harmful to themselves depending on how the marijuana is smoked/eaten.
That point is very much subject to debate and evidence.

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Right now, a lot of the older politicans came from the era where marijuana was associated with communism and other negative things... As the years roll on, it's inevitable that marijuana will eventually be legalized, but it's going to take the older generations dying off or losing power for it to happen. But just the voting on Prop 19 is a big step towards it. It's just a matter of time, hopefully sooner than later.
It's a historical trend that younger people tend to be more liberal and older people tend to be more conservative, regardless of whatever generation we currently happen to live in. Your "dying off" theory may not have any substance as you provide no additional reason to support the assertion that our generation is somehow more liberal than past generations.

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None of the arguments against weed really make sense. Know why it's a 'gateway drug'? It's because people who smoke weed eventually get harder drugs pushed on them or offered to them by their weed dealers. In Amsterdam, the percentage of people into heavy drugs is less than it is here, and they have marijuana legal. Because they've seperated marijuana from harder drugs. You don't have dealers pushing weed AND coke or heroin.
Yes, and they've also got an entire subculture devoted to marijuana use. Hardly the most productive thing for society, isn't it? Though I suppose that isn't a very fair argument since leisure time isn't meant to be necessarily "productive". But are you forgetting the physical damage that smoking causes?

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Pretty much everyone thinks it should be legalized on every message board I've posted on.
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I've always been interested in the prison systems and such, and after taking a few courses I realize how negative of an impact the illegalization of weed has on society as a whole. Prisons are already over-crowded, mixing dangerous criminals with drug offenders. This leads to criminals getting released early due to good behavior and stuff, cause they need all the prison space they can get. There's thousands and thousands of people filling our jails for nothing other than marijuana offenses.
This argument irritates me. You're essentially shifting the blame for the problem of overcrowded prisons from the actual drug offenders who willingly broke the law onto the "state" or the "government", whatever that means. We live in a democracy and we have a great judicial system. If you disagree with one of our laws, you have plenty means of challenging it, as Proposition 19 in California has demonstrated. Choosing to break these laws, however, seems like the poorest course of action.

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Even if it weren't legalized, and just decriminalized, the government wouldn't have to waste tax dollars on the 'war on drugs.' A 'war' which has failed.* Billions of dollars go towards destroying marijuana fields and catching those who grow it in mass.* Of course, it doesn't help that the government spends millions every year creating false propoganda like Above the Influence campaigns.*
*Source? Such statements are, until further notice, unfounded and accomplish nothing.

For example: "Every year, millions of teenagers across the nation cite the 'Above the Influence' campaign as a primary source of motivation for keeping their lives free of illegal drug use."

Such sweeping generalized statistics are already difficult to interpret and apply; ones without evidence are completely useless.

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Old 11-04-2010, 09:05 PM   #422 (permalink)
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Alcohol is not legal under the age of 21 in most states, and marijuana is a misdemeanor here, with up to an ounce. Anything over that is a little more serious. I dont want my children to consume alcohol or pot, or any type of drug no matter how old they are. I dont think I would be a very good parent with any morals at all if I did. Marijuana is twice as potent these days than it was say, twenty years ago. Some of the stuff on the streets today will paralize you with just a couple of hits , and I dont want it around the schools or my kids (that sounds like something off of the movie Goodfellas, I know) but hey, if you play your going to pay! sooner or later. Besides, even if prop. 19 was to pass in Ca., the government would still step in and then it could be a federal charge, and Im happy with it only being a misdemeaner for the time being, and I dont realistically need more than an ounce at any one time, unless I want to be a dealer, which I dont. And after all is said, it is very ironic that alcohol is legal while marijuana is not. And dont think that students still in middle & high schools do not drink alcohol or smoke pot, take pills, etc. and in some cases, grade schools within the inner cities. I must say, your last statement sounds a little retarded, but I guess each to his/her own opinion.
Is there any kind of point to this post?
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:07 PM   #423 (permalink)
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:18 PM   #424 (permalink)
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Not a world of that made sense Vocal Bass.
Sure it did! I understand where VocalsBass is coming from. I choose not to smoke marijuana, and I never want to try it. Frankly, I don't see the benefit.
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:22 PM   #425 (permalink)
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Sure it did! I understand where VocalsBass is coming from. I choose not to smoke marijuana, and I never want to try it. Frankly, I don't see the benefit.
Of course you don't see the benefit if you've never tried it.

Do you see the benefit of seasonings on your food?
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:30 PM   #426 (permalink)
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Earlier today it was on the news that eight students at a middle school in Ca. were sent to the hospital sick from eating pot laced brownies, later on in the afternoon it was found out that it was a false alarm, read back one page.
My point is, if we legalize marijuana, will it become even more popular in our schools?
Yes, I read your previous post. The post I quoted still doesn't make much sense.
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Old 11-04-2010, 09:32 PM   #427 (permalink)
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You say corny intro... I just call it factual info.

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That point is very much subject to debate and evidence.
If I am sitting in my house smoking bud from a vaporizer, how am I harming anyone else? Or even myself? And even if I were harming myself, does that even play into the debate on whether it should be legal? Everyone knows how deadly alcohol and tobacco products are, yet they are illegal. Anything in excess is harmful. Too much sugar, caffeine, etc. All legal substances. The government has already set a precedent that the public's health is not their main concern - or else things like tobacco would be illegal.
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It's a historical trend that younger people tend to be more liberal and older people tend to be more conservative, regardless of whatever generation we currently happen to live in. Your "dying off" theory may not have any substance as you provide no additional reason to support the assertion that our generation is somehow more liberal than past generations.
Try to remember what I say and then what you say. I don't need to support the assertion that our generation is more liberal because that isn't what I am saying. That is what you are saying... See, the older generations grew up in a time when anti-marijuana movies were being created to falsely represent the affects of marijuana. Many people believed those 20-30 movies at the time (See Reefer Madness for an example). Now we know it was all propaganda and lies. The older generations also grew up in a time when marijuana was associated to communism by politicans. My generation wasn't exposed to these lies.

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This argument irritates me. You're essentially shifting the blame for the problem of overcrowded prisons from the actual drug offenders who willingly broke the law onto the "state" or the "government", whatever that means. We live in a democracy and we have a great judicial system. If you disagree with one of our laws, you have plenty means of challenging it, as Proposition 19 in California has demonstrated. Choosing to break these laws, however, seems like the poorest course of action.
Eh, we have a good judicial system compared to many other countries, but it could be improved a lot. The prison system is a joke to me. A lot of ex-convicts just wind up back in jail. Most go to prison and meet more criminals, create networks, and hone their crime skills... Not sure really why that argument irritates you, it's a fact that prisons are over-crowded. Sometimes you have deadly criminals housed in a gymnasium with bunk beds. Imprisoning non-violent drug users just makes the over-crowding worse. Yes, they commited a crime, but we are discussing legalizing marijuana. Illegalizing obviously just leads to more criminals. I guess it comes down to... Why NOT legalize it?

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Yes, and they've also got an entire subculture devoted to marijuana use. Hardly the most productive thing for society, isn't it? Though I suppose that isn't a very fair argument since leisure time isn't meant to be necessarily "productive". But are you forgetting the physical damage that smoking causes?
Like you said, it's leisure activity...and whats wrong with a subculture of marijuana use? They can use it responsibly and Amsterdam has lower rates of drug use among teens and lower rats of hard drug use. Because like I said, they seperate the weed from the cocaine, heroin, etc. Smoking anything is bad for your health. Used from a vaporizer or eaten and there's not much health risk. Not that health risk really even matters, the government makes a ton of money annually by selling things that are bad for peoples health. If somebody chooses to damage their lungs, why is that a problem to anyone else anyways? Like I said, this is the 'land of the free' and yet you aren't able to do what you want to your own body.

As for Above the Influence, the government will tell you that it doesn't work. What a waste of money, not to mention their false respresentation of weed. The government has lied for years to the public and continue to do so. I do not know why. Assuming you don't read the entire article, let me quote on page 10:

"Westat’s evaluation found no significant favorable effects of campaign exposure on marijuana initiation among non-drug-using youth or cessation and declining use among prior marijuana users."

After admitting the campaign has not worked whatsoever, George Bush still increased the funding by 130 MILLION dollars. I've found numbers at around 1.5 billion dollars spent on the campaign. Regardless of the exact number, I think it's safe to say that it is a HUGE waste of money to accomplish nothing.

The war on drugs has failed because marijuana use is still very prevalent, especially to teens and college students. What have we really accomplished with this 'war on drugs.' It's a campaign that appeals to soccer moms and old white conservative white guys. And it's pretty obvious the government has to spend tons of money destroying fields and arresting and imprisoning people who are only arrested for marijuana offenses.

The government has been the ultimate fail with how they've handled marijuana for decades.
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Sorry for the novel.

In short, you are wrong.
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Oh well..I dont care Jansz.
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Originally Posted by VocalsBass;952426 Marijuana is twice as potent these days than it was say, twenty years ago. Some of the stuff on the streets today will paralize you with just a couple of hits :(

after all is said, it is very ironic that alcohol is legal while marijuana is not. And [B
dont think [/B]that students still in middle & high schools do not drink alcohol or smoke pot, take pills, etc. a
I've heard that first argument over and over again! Marijuana being more potent today. I don't know what you had, but I've never smoked any Marijuana that gets me paralyzed.

The second thing I just though was funny. If you don't know that most high schools, at least where I live, more than 40% of the students have tried drugs, at least the ones who admit it. It is ironic that alcohol is legal and pot is not, one has the potential to kill, and one doesn't. Which one is legal?

In my opinion, it isn't legal due to the history behind it, and how it has never been seen as anything but bad. They say the word Marijuana, and people think that it is a deadly drug, that you get addicted in one hit, you go insane, and all that nonsense. But when people talk about alcohol, people just see it as a drink, a recreational thing, a relaxing thing, it sucks.
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