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Alfred

Yeah, I was gonna point that out but I'm not sure if babies are really aware of themselves. The earliest I remember is when I was two and a half.

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Kamikazi Kat

I lean a bit more toward pro-choice. I really haven't actually looked into this topic much though. I'm not really concerned about the whole "killing babies" thing. To me, that seems to be something that is up to the individual. If you belieive abortion is wrong, don't get an abortion, and vice versa.

Fruitonica

I don't like it when people talk about 'when life begins', when quite clearly an embryo or foetus is alive in the scientific term. But life isn't sacred in a blanket sense, it's more important to look at the quality of the life.

So for me, killing a bundle of cells that can't think or feel at even a basic level doesn't offend and I'm fine with abortion early in the pregnancy.

EDGE

Stuff into vagina. Vacuum out.

khfreek

Because I don't think animals can love anything. Apparently anyone who has ever owned a pet ever disagrees with that, which is weird cause I've had many pets... I don't think any of them were about to leap in front of a bullet to save my life or anything. That's the end of me talking about that.

My point of course being that TheUnfan can't use his definition as a defense for pro-lifers when pro-lifers are usually the people that devalue animal life.

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Thrice

The good ole coat hanger trick, might take a little while, but it will work!

Ha ha, I think youre getting rover confused with underdog. Im a 'pro-lifer' and I value animal life.

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The Unfan

I'm confused. I'd never use my argument to back up a pro-life stance. I'm pro-choice, so it would be counterproductive.

Also, I'm 100% fine with animals dying for consumption.

khfreek

I guess I read through your post too quickly. Let's just say it's too shaky a fact for either side to go on really, as human lives are different from animals'.

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Guybrush

I don't think people necessarily extend more moralistic concern for people than they do for animals. Many would rather the japanese whaler dies than the whale he's hunting. How we feel about other people depends on many things, for example family relations, are they an "us" or "them", etc.

Also, you shouldn't think we're so different from animals. We're not, we're just smart. When they trained the gorilla Coco to use sign language, she was able to express a range of emotions that we typically think of as human such as love and jealousy. She also had memories of her parents getting killed by hunters. In short, we have a lot in common with other animals and there's no reason to think what motivates humans to action are not motivators in other mammals.

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