Son of JayJamJah

Not everyone sees things like you and of course this is a ridiculous comparison that ignores what we have come to understand. You can argue over the value of potential all you want, but the fact is that's an argument of a very subjective nature on both sides that requires you to be ignorant of a lot to be resolute on either side.

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Hesher

What exactly does it ignore that we have come to understand?

In the eyes of the law and for medical purposes it isn't subjective.

How exactly does my opinion make me ignorant? As far as I can see, I'm the one with the information.

Son of JayJamJah

Your position\opinion is not ignorant you're refusal to acknowledge opposing points of view is.

Your are ignoring the fact that we know in all likelihood a fetus unaborted will become a human being and that that potential is as valuable as life to some people. It doesn't matter if you believe a fetus is a living being or that it's life is as valuable as developed human being.

There is nothing scientifically or logically flawed about that, it doesn't discredit your opinions based in science, but it's another equally valid perspective which you seem to ignore or dismiss because you don't share in it.

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Hesher

All right, all right. The question of potential is something that should affect your decision on whether to have an abortion, but not the rule of law on it. That is my final point, I guess.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez

I have to disagree, it very much matters whether the fetus is as valuable as a developed human, because when you say, 'the potential for human life is what matters' that's akin to saying 'man should never masturbate because those millions of sperm all had the potential to become human' So by rubbing one out, you're committing genocide.
Then, why stop at masturbation, we might as well never have sex again, because when he B's his L in the V, millions of sperm will still be destroyed.
I respect your argument, I just think that particular point is flawed.

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sleepy jack

lol. I don't want to give you a sex ed. lesson but there's a bit of difference between a sperm's potential and an embryo's potential.

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Hesher

They argued that a fetus is much closer to a baby than sperm are, which suits the shoebox metaphor in that a shoebox closer to a million dollars contains more money than the shoebox at the beginning. I understand what they're saying but we definitely disagree.

Son of JayJamJah

I totally agree and as we talked about before, that's a big part of why I am pro-choice, I just don't think the pro-life people are nuts at all, well the ones who don't blow up abortion clinics anyway.

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Son of JayJamJah

Which members would you like to give a sex ed lesson to?

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Hesher

For the most part I don't have a problem with people's individual beliefs; I begin to take umbrage when people attack a woman (who is already making a difficult decision) for something that is clearly not murder in the slightest. She doesn't need additional chastisement from someone who knows nothing of her situation and certainly doesn't need the government dictating what she is allowed to do with the contents of her own body.