Neapolitan

What point of view is that? That I believe a human fetus is a human being? That the life of a human fetus is just as important as the life of all human being? That a human fetus should not be terminated?

Hesher

As I said. A point of view not supported by science or medicine or any factual basis. Do you agree that there is no logic behind your claim? Because we will stop lambasting you if you admit to it; there's no point in arguing with that.

Son of JayJamJah

To suppose their is no logic behind it devalues your point. It's extremely logical if you didn't know and watched an egg hatch into a chick you'd think there was something alive inside that egg wouldn't you? Seems very logical to me. Cells are living organisms, there are a hundred ways to punch holes in your presumption.

Lets take it to an even simpler and more undeniable level. If you had a shoebox that knew was going to be filled with 1 million dollars in nine months if you did everything your accountant told you to do would you not consider it 1 million dollars?

I don't see what someones else's opinion on what is or isn't living is any of your business.

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sleepy jack

A shoebox has no fiscal value and won't until the million dollars is physically in there. It's a really terrible comparison to make.

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Hesher

Your point would be valid if we lived without science and, as you said, didn't know before watching the egg hatch into a chick. With science, we know that that there is a particular point in time at which an egg becomes a chick. To maintain your metaphor, we feel comfortable eating unfertilized eggs because even though we can't see into the egg as it's forming, we know that there is no baby chick inside yet. Only the potential for a baby chick. Do you see what I mean?

I never said cells weren't living organisms. What I said was, they aren't human until certain conditions are met. And abortions, on the vast majority, are done before those conditions are met. So therefore we are aborting life forms, living organisms, that are not human.

And no, I would not consider it to be one million dollars, because until the day that it IS one million dollars, it is slowly growing. It might be $100 or $100,000 but it isn't a million until it is (money and babies don't just appear). Your metaphor would be valid if we didn't have the science to look inside the shoebox, but we do, and since we do, there is one factual understanding of abortion and everything else is an opinion.

No offense, but I don't understand how you think you can debate this.

Son of JayJamJah

It's a prefect comparison you're argument makes no sense. Without the shoebox there is no million dollars. Stop arguing you lose this one every time. It's not about pro-life\pro-choice, it's explaining why pro-life feels like they do, you don't get to determine that.

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sleepy jack

It's still a terrible comparison because it has no value until there's actually a million dollars in there which is more an argument for abortions up until they baby is actually out of the womb (i.e. the money is in the shoe box.)

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Son of JayJamJah

I guess I could just put you on my ignore list. Do you do this on purpose or do you really only see your own perspective?

the comparison is not about somethings value it's about it's inevitable result. It's completlety imaginary and not at all based on science or the laws of reality, it's a fucking magic shoe box Ethan, Are you thick?

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sleepy jack

Yeah I'm thick but at least I can argue without resorting to condescension.

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Neapolitan

You say that, but you yourself do not offer any scientific proof that a human fetus is not a human.

Since it is true that a being fetus is human being, all you can do is to deny it, with nothing to support your position.

Truth is unchangeable, it will not change with time, it will not change with points of views, if you can not comprehend that a human being start life as human zygote and then developes as a human fetus within the womb, then is born as a human newborn baby then it is up to you to learn more about biology, ethics, and philosophy.