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Old 04-08-2009, 11:06 AM   #91 (permalink)
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:15 AM   #92 (permalink)
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Oh from the "buyers" side? Hell no, jobs are out there for a cost. Its all relative when taxes scale. You don't what the cost of living in an area is, and you go from there.

Taxes should not be faulted because you don't keep all of your money. Taxes pay for so many functions of modern society that its a sham to say thats any sort of burden.

Vote people out who want taxes if you don't like them.
It isn't too much of a burden for us, but mainly for the businessmen.

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Vote people out who want taxes if you don't like them.
It isn't that simple. Just because a majority believes something, it doesn't make it any more right.
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:20 AM   #93 (permalink)
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its a burden for the businessman? Who gives a ****. If you can't handle the struggle of running a business, don't go into business. Business is a struggle of keeping your overhead low, your prices competitive, and your customers happy. In free market capitalism, it keeps things fresh and relevent.

Making it easier for them makes it horrible for us.

and...It doesn't make the majority wrong either, so we can't operate on that scale. What we can do is say that it was considered the option by the majority and at least conclude its fair.
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Old 04-08-2009, 11:36 AM   #94 (permalink)
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its a burden for the businessman? Who gives a ****. If you can't handle the struggle of running a business, don't go into business. Business is a struggle of keeping your overhead low, your prices competitive, and your customers happy. In free market capitalism, it keeps things fresh and relevent.
Businessmen can't lower their prices to a certain amount because of things like minimum wage, taxes, and all those useless regulations that are on them. The burden isn't just taxes.

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Making it easier for them makes it horrible for us.
Them. Us. Both are useless collective terms. I don't care about my neighbors happiness unless it is of value to me and my happiness. I am not at war with the businessman simply because he is one. I realize he is pursuing his own happiness and as long as he respects my individual rights it is only rational for me to respect his. Of course, we don't respect individual rights in this society so we end up creating a huge battlefield with the littleman on one side and the businessman on the other.

A freer market would make it easier for people to succeed. Since I want to succeed, I want the true road to achieve it. The problem is, with this mixed economy, you either get favored by the government or you get denied by the government. It isn't capitalism. It is government regulated capitalism and all monopolies, bailouts, etc are all because the government decided to give favors to a company who did not deserve it. The market doesn't decide a good or bad company anymore. It is the government who decides whether one industry deserves to make money or not. Call it what you want, but this isn't "free" market capitalism.

and...It doesn't make the majority wrong either, so we can't operate on that scale. What we can do is say that it was considered the option by the majority and at least conclude its fair.[/QUOTE]
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Old 04-08-2009, 12:14 PM   #95 (permalink)
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What is the right you are trying to protect by creating these programs?
The right of the developing business. As a businessman I find that an economic secury net is important for the budding entrepreneur. Mutually beneficial tax programs which support an economic society, such as welfare for instance, are fine. It gives the opportunity to someone in a losing position to collect and try again. It makes small business more likely to succeed. I know, I used welfare to clean up my image, go to college, and become self employed. Everyone should have that opportunity.

Another freedom it protects is the freedom to have a secure living. Big military is good because it provides a job opportunity to thousands (further supporting the first point) and because without it we'd be less safe. Granted I think its currently doing poorly by being in a war that I personally don't view as justified. However, with better leadership I think having it around would be a good thing.
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They're inherent. It isn't like the government can give you the right to do something. You're permited to eat ice cream because no law prevents you from doing so, not because there is a law that explicitly states that you can.
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If that 2% is such a small amount then why wouldn't you just let the people pay that percent freely?
Because that 2% is pretty damn huge.

According to the population clock as I type this there are 306,175,150 Americans. If all of those people sent 10 dollars to the government right now we'd cycle 3,061,751,500 dollars which could be used to help the national debt and in turn raise the value of the dollar. When the money would reach the people again we'd all be a fraction of a penny richer and interest rates would probably be a fraction of a percent lower. Paying the national debt really does that much, and so having a stimulated economy to get the country up to speed is important.
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The price for work is artificial if there are taxes and such involved. You can't reap the benefits of your work when the price for it is artificial.
Yes you can. Inflation doesn't mean devalued.
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:08 PM   #96 (permalink)
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Monopolies are in no way compatible with the free market system.

What reason would anyone favor monopolies over government controlled institutions? they'd be the same thing.

At least with the government we could vote.

And btw; Us = consumers, them = business owners.
they should be less useless to you now.
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