Your political compass

DwnWthVwls · 03-07-2015, 02:54 PM

Yeh, our government is a joke. It's pathetic.

Xurtio · 03-07-2015, 03:03 PM

Yeah, no idea how one would destabilize the republocratic grip on the US political arena. In all fairness, the US is the leader of the free world in many aspects, but particulalry in terms of defense. It's a delicate place to be as we make a lot of enemies and a lot of mistakes, but I think the US has done alot of good too.

The Batlord · 03-07-2015, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Briks

I think the US democracy is a bit tainted if all candidates are not given equal opportunities. A change of the general system, which is desperately needed, is virtually impossible as things are now.

Well we also live in a country of 300 million people. I imagine it's not too hard for some random party in your country to mobilize a relatively significant portion of the population in order to gain some kind of influence. But that same amount of people in America would be irrelevant. Our voting blocs are monolithic, and influencing them takes the kinds of campaign resources that only the major parties can afford.

Isbjørn · 03-07-2015, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Yeh, our government is a joke. It's pathetic.

I love how American patriots go on about "freedom" and "liberty", when they live in a military state with a kinda corrupt democracy and surveillance of its citizens. I almost hope for a revolution in the USA, not to enforce a new government in any way (that'd be undemocratic and counterproductive), but to open up for a truer democracy in which all candidates are treated equally, and voted for by enlightened individuals (by this I don't mean that the range of voters should be limited in any way, but that the people should be made more politically educated in general, so that they know exactly what they're voting for).

Unknown Soldier · 03-07-2015, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Briks

I love how American patriots go on about "freedom" and "liberty", when they live in a military state with a kinda corrupt democracy and surveillance of its citizens. I almost hope for a revolution in the USA, not to enforce a new government in any way (that'd be undemocratic and counterproductive), but to open up for a truer democracy in which all candidates are treated equally, and voted for by enlightened individuals (by this I don't mean that the range of voters should be limited in any way, but that the people should be made more politically educated in general, so that they know exactly what they're voting for).

Surveillance of citizens is pretty much predominant in most first world countries and most of Europe is no exception to that rule either. You might have more freedom on that for example in Norway and Sweden etc, but most of the rest of Europe is under the cosh.

Isbjørn · 03-07-2015, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Surveillance of citizens is pretty much predominant in most first world countries and most of Europe is no exception to that rule either. You might have more freedom on that for example in Norway and Sweden etc, but most of the rest of Europe is under the cosh.

True. Doesn't rhyme with "liberty and freedom", though.

Unknown Soldier · 03-07-2015, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Briks

True. Doesn't rhyme with "liberty and freedom", though.

Are you saying that you have these in your country?

Isbjørn · 03-07-2015, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Are you saying that you have these in your country?

Well, no country is perfect of course, but I'd say Norway is doing fine. The brief description of a better democracy I gave a couple of posts ago, was pretty much based on the current system over here. Anyone can have a political influence, and we can vote for parties ranging from Marxist socialism to economic liberalism.

Unknown Soldier · 03-07-2015, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Briks

Well, no country is perfect of course, but I'd say Norway is doing fine. The brief description of a better democracy I gave a couple of posts ago, was pretty much based on the current system over here. Anyone can have a political influence, and we can vote for parties ranging from Marxist socialism to economic liberalism.

As far as I know in most of Europe you can vote for any party you want.

Does anybody really vote for say Marxist socialism there?

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 03-07-2015, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Briks

I love how American patriots go on about "freedom" and "liberty", when they live in a military state with a kinda corrupt democracy and surveillance of its citizens. I almost hope for a revolution in the USA, not to enforce a new government in any way (that'd be undemocratic and counterproductive), but to open up for a truer democracy in which all candidates are treated equally, and voted for by enlightened individuals (by this I don't mean that the range of voters should be limited in any way, but that the people should be made more politically educated in general, so that they know exactly what they're voting for).

i love it too cause it means the propaganda is working

but i'm honestly fine with our security state and enjoy reaping the causal benefits of living in the world's number one military empire

i don't understand most people really because they seem to shy away from that sort of thing but if you pay close enough attention you'll see that pretty much every country is out for its own, strategizing against one another etc. there are countries that are pretty geopolitically irrelevant and get to bask in the wealth of western civilization by proxy of being harmless to our ambitions and useful to trade with. and that's nice for them.

but any country with a hope at some sort of geopolitical clout tends to take these things a bit more seriously and will continue to compete for strategic leverage against each other

so the whole let's just be pacifist nice morally upstanding people approach to geopolitics/politics in general is really kind of silly when you think about it cause it relies on the assumption that if x power wasn't currently running the world and tipping the scales in their favor then everyone could just get along and deal on an even playing ground

when the reality that history has taught us again and again is that if you take away the current regime you get a power vacuum and you open new opportunities for other ambitious nations to exploit

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