How Real Is Christianity?

sleepy jack · 04-04-2009, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by zzz

It's not evidence, it's justification for my beliefs

You're right, there's no burden, it is a voluntary discussion. But it is a sincere question that begs an answer from all atheists

Though since you're agnostic, I suppose that changes my stance a bit

It's an arrogant question to be posed by a theist since a theist can offer no proof for the existence of god. Saying "my faith tells me it's correct" is a complete cop out because you're claiming belief in magical things, that I would consider highly improbable almost to the point of impossibility, based only on the grounds that you believe it to be true. I'm not saying you don't have the right to believe that however I have the right to say it's unfounded (which it is.) So how about before you attack anyone for pretending to be an enlightened adolescent charlatan you acknowledge the fact that your argument is ultimately an unprovable and baseless one whereas the belief in secular values, theories and the scientific process isn't.

SATCHMO · 04-04-2009, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by zzz

The general sense of God. I mean THE God, not A God. As in, the Bible's sense of God

that doesn't help, because your still referring to something very ambiguous.

sleepy jack · 04-04-2009, 10:13 PM

I don't really think he's ambiguous. He's referring to the biblical/literal God of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.

midnight rain · 04-04-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

It's an arrogant question to be posed by a theist since a theist can offer no proof for the existence of god. Saying "my faith tells me it's correct" is a complete cop out because you're claiming belief in magical things, that I would consider highly improbable almost to the point of impossibility, based only on the grounds that you believe it to be true. I'm not saying you don't have the right to believe that however I have the right to say it's unfounded (which it is.) So how about before you attack anyone for pretending to be an enlightened adolescent charlatan you acknowledge the fact that your argument is ultimately an unprovable and baseless one whereas the belief in secular values, theories and the scientific process isn't.

Well, it's the old proverb: "If you're going to talk the talk, you have to walk the walk."

Unlike atheists, I don't claim faith to be universal. Faith is a choice, fact isn't

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

that doesn't help, because your still referring to something very ambiguous.

I'm not sure what to say then :/

Just straight up, the existence of God or not I guess

Terrible Lizard · 04-04-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by zzz

Just straight up, the existence of God or not I guess

There are more possible answers than you realize.

SATCHMO · 04-04-2009, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

I don't really think he's ambiguous. He's referring to the biblical/literal God of Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell.

well that's just phooey nonsense.

sleepy jack · 04-04-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by zzz

Well, it's the old proverb: "If you're going to talk the talk, you have to walk the walk."

Unlike atheists, I don't claim faith to be universal. Faith is a choice, fact isn't

Then explain how a man can survive his own death. Explain how a man can build an boat and fit every species that exists now (evolution isn't real after all) and has become extinct in the past 5000 years on this boat in addition to a family that only a short less than 5000 years later spawned enough to create billions of descendants. Explain how this same man could live well past his mid-hundreds. Explain how the Earth is only 6000 years old. Explain every claim in the Bible that goes against what we know about how the universe, and more specifically the planet earth, operates. Why don't you prove to me, either empirically or logically, the existence of god and then explain to me why this all powerful being would have any interest in the human race and why he would want to punish them based on trite issues that he has deemed "moral or immoral." Maybe once you can do this I'll stop treating the views of Christians as such a joke.

cardboard adolescent · 04-04-2009, 10:23 PM

Can't we all just agree to ignore the ridiculous parts of the Bible? Obviously the parts that are true are the parts that speak to you. How's this for a definition of God: "God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him" (1 Jn 4:16)

it's all about reading between the lines. look past the extravagances that are there to pull you in and see where they're pulling you.

sleepy jack · 04-04-2009, 10:26 PM

The problem with that though is when you ignore the ridiculous parts of the Bible you're largely ignoring the systematic religious side of it; which is all I've ever had a problem with.

SATCHMO · 04-04-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent

look past the extravagances that are there to pull you in and see where they're pulling you.

nice.

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cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	Can't we all just agree to ignore the ridiculous parts of the Bible? Obviously the parts that are true are the parts that speak to you. How's this for a definition of God: "God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him" (1 Jn 4:16) it's all about reading between the lines. look past the extravagances that are there to pull you in and see where they're pulling you.