How Real Is Christianity?

SATCHMO · 08-02-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

The other side of that point of view is that Jesus' vision and purpose was to start a Church. Jesus' message wasn't one of spiritual isolationism, but to unify people into the family of God. St Paul always taught that there is one baptism for the family of God, one Church of God.

The mistake is to believe that Jesus had no part in forming the Church of God on earth.

I agree with everything that you've manged to say here.

Having said that I reiterate the fact that there is nothing about christian doctrine which represents Christ's vision for his "church".

boo boo · 09-16-2009, 01:24 PM

A lot of people say "well even if you don't believe in the bible you gotta admit it has some pretty great messages".

And that really annoys me, I mean yeah sure, it does have some great messages and clever parable. But it also has it's fair share of asinine bullsh*t.

I find so much of the bible's values and stories to be absolutely twisted. The old testament especially. Job, Abraham and Issac. What's the moral lessions there? Other than that God expects you to sacrifice everything and do any crazy thing he asks you to do, and you just have to put up with it.

How about the story of Lot? Yeah, apparently offering your daughters to a bunch of sex crazed psychopaths is ok in god's eyes.

**Janszoon** · 09-16-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

A lot of people say "well even if you don't believe in the bible you gotta admit it has some pretty great messages".

Well yeah, it does. But it also has it's fair share of bullsh*t.

Yeah, even though I was never a Christian I used buy the whole "gotta admit the Bible has some pretty great messages" line. Then I started reading it and realized I was totally wrong about it having good messages.

I'll take the Ramayana over the Bible any day of the week in terms of ethics.

Piss Me Off · 09-16-2009, 05:39 PM

I don't see why you have to make one solid choice, why not take your ethics from several different sources and avoid all the competition? Most of the good stuff is pure common sense in the first place anyway.

**Janszoon** · 09-16-2009, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

I don't see why you have to make one solid choice, why not take your ethics from several different sources and avoid all the competition? Most of the good stuff is pure common sense in the first place anyway.

I'm not sure if this was directed at me or not but I wasn't saying anyone should stick to one choice, I was saying the Bible is a poor choice.

Piss Me Off · 09-16-2009, 05:43 PM

Just a general musing really, sticking to one side isn't the best option for me.

**Janszoon** · 09-16-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

Just a general musing really, sticking to one side isn't the best option for me.

I hear you. Me neither.

Greenchic08 · 07-16-2010, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pahuuuta

Well, im probably going to guess most people on here are christians, and sorry to say that i'm not and the bible just doesnt give me enough faith to believe in god, im the kind of person that has to see it to believe it, whether or not that is a good or bad thing. anyway i was reading bits and pieces of the bible and it just has some flaws in it, lets list some shall we?

firstly, the snake taunted adam and eve with a apple from the tree in the garden of eden, correct? the garden of eden "was" located in israel, which is near the mediterranean. . . . .apples DO NOT grow in the mediterranean....

secondly, at one point there was only cain, able and adam and eve, so think about this, where did cain's wife come from?

i will become a christian right now if someone answers that question for me, to this day no one can answer it, it was used in the Scopes Trial (1925). NO ONE CAN ANSWER IT, where did she come from.

So seeing as how not even the biggest christian can answer this question, i will have to say there is no way to defend the biblical record. . . .

discuss.

#1. There was nothing about apples in the bible
#2. There is a large possibility that there was other people on the earth when after Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden of Eden.
I am a christian and I belive the bible fully. If you have any other questions about the bible please tell me and i will answer them. hope this helped!!!!!!

Guybrush · 07-16-2010, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Greenchic08

#1. There was nothing about apples in the bible
#2. There is a large possibility that there was other people on the earth when after Adam and Eve were kicked out of the garden of Eden.
I am a christian and I belive the bible fully. If you have any other questions about the bible please tell me and i will answer them. hope this helped!!!!!!

Well, since you now bumped an old thread that last saw activity in 2009, I guess we might as well try and make the best of it.

I do have some questions that I might as well ask you instead of looking them up. Why do you think it was likely that there were other people outside the garden of Eden? They must have been created by God too, but they were not allowed in the garden? Or were they not good enough?

And are all people supposed to be descendents from Noah?

chard · 07-17-2010, 05:42 AM

I suggest you read the king james bible it reads the forbidden fruit of the tree and also in the original victorian bible no mention of apples and pears lol. Please if you have read from the new international version then you will find add ons and paragraphs missing which isn't good.You may ask why it's so different well it's for thickies just like yourself.
Always trying to find away out and yes there is! it's freedom of choice, but beware if you read the bible and know the truth but deny the truth in your own lives then you will feel the wrath of god with no reprieve. On a lighter note im sure you won't lol.

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chard Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: england Posts: 390	I suggest you read the king james bible it reads the forbidden fruit of the tree and also in the original victorian bible no mention of apples and pears lol. Please if you have read from the new international version then you will find add ons and paragraphs missing which isn't good.You may ask why it's so different well it's for thickies just like yourself. Always trying to find away out and yes there is! it's freedom of choice, but beware if you read the bible and know the truth but deny the truth in your own lives then you will feel the wrath of god with no reprieve. On a lighter note im sure you won't lol.