How Real Is Christianity?

Arya Stark · 06-21-2009, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

A much underused classifiction of belief is ignostic. If to be agnostic is to say "I don't know if god exists", and to be Atheistic is to say "I don't believe god doesn't exists", then ignosticism is equivalent to saying "what do you mean when you say god?". This is where I fall under. All my arguments for or against the existent of God are variant upon the definition of God that one is arguing for or against. SOme I deas of what God is I believe in and some I don't, and to a greater degree I know that's subjective on my part.

I like that.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez · 06-21-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

A much underused classifiction of belief is ignostic. If to be agnostic is to say "I don't know if god exists", and to be Atheistic is to say "I don't believe god doesn't exists", then ignosticism is equivalent to saying "what do you mean when you say god?".

Actually, if the belief of atheists is "I don't believe god doesn't exist" that's a double negative, and if you cancelled them out would literally translate to "I believe god exists" I don't think that's what they believe, although I have heard some of them say that Atheist means Non-Theist, and so they're basically agnostic.
I rarely get to correct you, so I couldn't resist the temptation.

Astronomer · 06-21-2009, 08:48 PM

I thought Atheists didn't believe that god exists, and Agnostics believed that there was no proof that he does or doesn't exist. But I'm probably wrong.

Arya Stark · 06-21-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shiseido red

I thought Atheists didn't believe that god exists, and Agnostics believed that there was no proof that he does or doesn't exist. But I'm probably wrong.

You were right about Atheists, he was just grammatically incorrect, he knew what he was trying to say.

And Agnostics are usually... waiting for proof of existence. ^_^

SATCHMO · 06-21-2009, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy

Actually, if the belief of atheists is "I don't believe god doesn't exist" that's a double negative, and if you cancelled them out would literally translate to "I believe god exists" I don't think that's what they believe, although I have heard some of them say that Atheist means Non-Theist, and so they're basically agnostic.
I rarely get to correct you, so I couldn't resist the temptation.

Yeah, typo on my part.

SATCHMO · 06-21-2009, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

So Satch, do you consider yourself a Unitarian?

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO

Yes, Very much so

I have to sort of clarify my response to this question.

There are two conflicting definitions of the Unitarianism. One is often and erroneously used ro describe the United Church of Christ which is an extremely liberal adjunct sect of Christianity that differentiates itself from all mainstream denominations of Christianity in its rejection of the Christian doctrine of the holy trinity.
There's also the Unitarian Church which embraces and teaches the core principles of all religions, but subscribes exclusively to none, and doesn't seek to promote any religions dogma or doctrine. this is a good summation of my beliefs.

Miltamec Soundsquinaez · 06-21-2009, 10:30 PM

Also, the Baha'i faith preaches that all religions worship the same god, which is contrary to what Hindus believe, but the theme is world peace, and that all religions are right.
It also says that Moses, Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed were all essentially equal in that they were all messengers of the one god. Pretty great religion.

SATCHMO · 06-21-2009, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy

Also, the Baha'i faith preaches that all religions worship the same god, which is contrary to what Hindus believe, but the theme is world peace, and that all religions are right.
It also says that Moses, Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed were all essentially equal in that they were all messengers of the one god. Pretty great religion.

Yeah, Baha'i is a very awesome and interesting religion that I've been meaning to learn a lot more about.

cardboard adolescent · 06-22-2009, 12:37 AM

baha'i is a nice idea, but kind of self-defeating. it basically ends up being a diluted version of islam with the slogan "world peace!", which is probably still better than most religions.

boo boo · 06-22-2009, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by TheUsed2lguy

Also, the Baha'i faith preaches that all religions worship the same god, which is contrary to what Hindus believe, but the theme is world peace, and that all religions are right.
It also says that Moses, Jesus, Buddha, and Mohammed were all essentially equal in that they were all messengers of the one god. Pretty great religion.

So they believe that god told many messengers to create different religions that would then start fighting and killing each other for many centuries?

Who wants to worship a god like that?

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cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	baha'i is a nice idea, but kind of self-defeating. it basically ends up being a diluted version of islam with the slogan "world peace!", which is probably still better than most religions.