How Real Is Christianity?

pahuuuta · 05-27-2009, 09:20 AM

i dont think anyone can disagree with that

mr dave · 05-27-2009, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Whatsitoosit

it seems to me the need to be right has been the backbone of our progression as humans. Science, theory, etc... are all dismissed until somebody is persistent enough to prove it right.

overall i totally agree BUT i'd say that the need to be right has been the backbone of social and cultural progression rather than actual human progression.

Freebase Dali · 05-28-2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Whatsitoosit

it seems to me the need to be right has been the backbone of our progression as humans. Science, theory, etc... are all dismissed until somebody is persistent enough to prove it right. I know what you're saying though, some people are just stubborn even when the writing is on the wall to how wrong they truly are. I guess the kind of people who make a difference with persistence are intelligent ones.

on a different note, my fiancee and I are both Catholic but we were both brought up differently in that I was raised more with the fear of God as she was raised with the love of God. You can certainly tell the difference between the two of us, I act more out of guilt and she acts more out of kindness. I struggled with the idea of raising my kids catholic because of my own experiences but I must say being with somebody that has a healthier take on religion has made me reconsider this. We have discussed it a lot and I told her I will never raise my kids to believe the stories in the bible are fact, I will just allow them to grasp the morals and meaning within' the stories. When they are of age to make up their own minds I will do nothing to persuade them either way, I will just support whatever way they decide to go.

Just a question here...
Existence of Jesus aside, do you trust more in the bible's ability to teach your children morality, or your own?

Whatsitoosit · 05-28-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

overall i totally agree BUT i'd say that the need to be right has been the backbone of social and cultural progression rather than actual human progression.

I can agree with this.

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Originally Posted by Veridical Fiction

Just a question here...
Existence of Jesus aside, do you trust more in the bible's ability to teach your children morality, or your own?

My own. I think one has a healthier outlook on things when they learn for themselves what it means to hold morals. I believe one does this by first knowing right from wrong and then trial and error. Making mistakes and learning the hard way (to me) is the best method. I honestly don't ever want to say "it's not right to kill because the bible says so" but when they have bible based questions from what they heard in church or Sunday school I will say something along the lines of "these are stories designed to give examples of right from wrong". Man I hated Sunday School... I may need to talk this over with the fiancee again

Trey · 05-28-2009, 10:12 AM

Yeah that makes alot of sense. You can't just impose your beliefs on people they got to learn things for themselves. And plus, that way, it just feels more real instead of just following somethin' that you don't fully understand and all. I think it's safe to say we've all been guilty of that at one time or another and, for me at least, it just doesn't feel like it's right. I guess it just depends on who you are.

Guybrush · 05-28-2009, 11:46 AM

I hate the idea that it's wrong to kill just because the bible says so .. there are perfectly good reasons why one should not kill and that's one of'em, yet it seems for some, it's the only one they wanna teach .. :p

Whatsitoosit · 05-28-2009, 12:02 PM

Yeah, if you don't truly understand why you are or aren't doing something you simply aren't thinking. I heard a great quote the other day that sums it all up "the opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity".

there are times when it's necessary to kill, like when you are in danger of being killed. I think as a general rule of thumb it's good to not go around killing people for the hell of it but if I have a kid that plans on doing that I don't think the bible or myself will help much in the way of morals. Some people are just plain ****ed in the head.

pahuuuta · 05-28-2009, 01:31 PM

yes some people are plain ****ed in the head but there are ways that that could be changed their stupid ****. someone could try to help them out or maybe if they find faith they could work their craziness out. and i dont consider the bible morals for me really just a guideline on rules to live by. and standards of humanity.

Freebase Dali · 05-28-2009, 03:02 PM

What would be the difference, then, between the bible and a well-respected human of our time deciding to eradicate the current bible and writing his own bible that contained all the moral guidelines in context with our current society?

Without paying mind to the obvious backlash from the religious community, would the rest of us welcome that action?

Just wondering about different peoples perspectives on how necessary the bible currently is in a non-religious context.

Whatsitoosit · 05-29-2009, 04:43 PM

in non-religious context the bible would just be a guide on how one should live their life I would imagine. If you want to think of it on that level there are tons of current day "bibles" out in bookstores everywhere.

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pahuuuta Craziest Thing Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York Posts: 459	i dont think anyone can disagree with that __________________ *He Who Makes A Beast Out Of Himself Gets Rid Of The Pain Of Being A Man*

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Trey Groupie Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 42	Yeah that makes alot of sense. You can't just impose your beliefs on people they got to learn things for themselves. And plus, that way, it just feels more real instead of just following somethin' that you don't fully understand and all. I think it's safe to say we've all been guilty of that at one time or another and, for me at least, it just doesn't feel like it's right. I guess it just depends on who you are. __________________

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Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	I hate the idea that it's wrong to kill just because the bible says so .. there are perfectly good reasons why one should not kill and that's one of'em, yet it seems for some, it's the only one they wanna teach .. :p __________________ Something Completely Different

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Whatsitoosit Bringer of Carrots Join Date: May 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 648	Yeah, if you don't truly understand why you are or aren't doing something you simply aren't thinking. I heard a great quote the other day that sums it all up "the opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity". there are times when it's necessary to kill, like when you are in danger of being killed. I think as a general rule of thumb it's good to not go around killing people for the hell of it but if I have a kid that plans on doing that I don't think the bible or myself will help much in the way of morals. Some people are just plain ****ed in the head. __________________ "It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face."

05-28-2009, 01:31 PM	#568 (permalink)
pahuuuta Craziest Thing Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York Posts: 459	yes some people are plain **ed in the head but there are ways that that could be changed their stupid . someone could try to help them out or maybe if they find faith they could work their craziness out. and i dont consider the bible morals for me really just a guideline on rules to live by. and standards of humanity. __________________ He Who Makes A Beast Out Of Himself Gets Rid Of The Pain Of Being A Man**

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Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	What would be the difference, then, between the bible and a well-respected human of our time deciding to eradicate the current bible and writing his own bible that contained all the moral guidelines in context with our current society? Without paying mind to the obvious backlash from the religious community, would the rest of us welcome that action? Just wondering about different peoples perspectives on how necessary the bible currently is in a non-religious context. __________________

05-29-2009, 04:43 PM	#570 (permalink)
Whatsitoosit Bringer of Carrots Join Date: May 2008 Location: New York, NY Posts: 648	in non-religious context the bible would just be a guide on how one should live their life I would imagine. If you want to think of it on that level there are tons of current day "bibles" out in bookstores everywhere. __________________ "It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face."