Blue

I think this is kind of on the side, but is there evidence for his existence? Also, what made you have this faith? There must've been something that made you believe, which in and of itself would be your "evidence."

I guess this doesn't really apply to me because I don't claim to know things that can't be known definitively.

midnight rain

All I'm saying about Christianity is that it guides people down the right path, lots of people who could've done very bad things have chosen faith instead (I should know, I've talked to people who were thinking suicidally). People who don't have faith obviously won't use religion as justification, as their is no set principles for non-believing

Scarlett O'Hara

I am Catholic, but I don't believe I need to justify my faith to anybody. If you believe in something, people should not be able to persecute you because of it. I am comfortable letting others know that I have faith in God, it's actually a really wonderful thing from my perspective as you don't feel so alone in the world. Ethan darling, the world can be a lonely place. But its great that you can formulate your own opinions on here without losing the plot. Some people on here are useless at getting points across.

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Blue

But it goes two ways, you must realize that. Not everyone who chooses Christianity goes down the right path. I know a lot of Christians who judge endlessly, and do very negative things, especially to "non-believers." What you're saying about religion saving people can happen with any belief system, but it can always go more then one way.

Also, religion is the biggest cause of war in history if I'm not mistaken.

Terrible Lizard

No not the biggest, but nonetheless many, many have died uselessly because of it.

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sleepy jack

That isn't all you're saying. You're also making arrogant and bigoted remarks in regards to nonbelievers. I do love have you've changed you're tune though. I'd still be interested to hear you disprove that you're not a reincarnate personality though.

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jibber

This I think is the most off-putting aspect to Christianity for me. It's that holier-than-thou attitude that a lot of Christians have that they somehow have better morals, better judgement, and as an extension are better people than me because I don't believe in God.

I know TONS of people who proclaim to be devout christians, and they are some of the most dishonest, mean-spirited destructive people I've ever come into contact with. Christianity doesn't "save" people. I would not be a better person if I were a Christian, I would not be better off, I would not have an easier life.

I'd like you to clarify what you mean by "there is no set principles for non-believing." The way I understand it, you think that people who don't believe in God lack a system of principals and morals. I'm really tempted to go off on that but I'll give you a chance to clarify before I do.

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Scarlett O'Hara

To continue your point Jibber, I will add that it is well known that people who are unreligious often still hold morals and principles very highly, in regards to living life without seeming completely selfish, having dignity and respect for yourself and others, etc. Morals are a major aspect of Christianity, but are often abused and used to make others feel unworthy and always in debt to their faith. It's about finding middle ground, and being influenced from wise role models to decide how you want to live your life and treat others. Paris Hilton is not a good example of this. Ha.

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jibber

Exactly, but I've run into too many christians who honestly believe that non-christians are inherently immoral because they do not have God guiding them.

I think spirituality and religion can be a good thing, it's just not something I've ever been exposed to, or ever felt the need for. What someone believes is their own business, it's just when I get fed a long tirade about how empty my life is and how deprived I am and how I'm going to go to hell for not accepting Jesus as my lord and savior that I get a bit annoyed.

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What you've done becomes the judge of what you're going to do -- especially in other people's minds. When you're traveling, you are what you are right there and then. People don't have your past to hold against you. No yesterdays on the road.
William Least Heat Moon, Blue Highways

Your toughest competitor lives in your head. Some days his name is fear, or pain, or gravity. Stomp his ass.

HOOKED ON THE WHITE POWDER

Terrible Lizard

The Religion debate, the God debate whatever. It will never end, we're all running around in one pig pen pushing eachother into the mud only to slide and topple into it ourselves. The same points, the same outrages, will we ever shut the **** up and look around for once?

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