Yukon Cornelius

Yeah i do ... If you want to show me where i used it wrong i will either better explain myself or be wrong.

Loosely, Its a change to a species over time based on the best possible (for that species) outcome for survival.

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sleepy jack

Well you stated we didn't change our physical forms much (according to evolution)...which simply isn't true. Maybe you were referring to a more modernistic and recent view of time but if you're referring to the roots of humanity broadly then our physical forms have changed dramatically.

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Yukon Cornelius

I was referring to more modernistic,

Maybe women will loose there breasts with the invention of similac... j/k

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jibber

You're the one who said this a few pages ago:

You're being completely contradictory. In one post you defend gender roles by saying it is simply inherent in nature. In the other you say gender roles are non-existent. If you are going to partake in this discussion any more, I suggest you figure out what it is you actually want to say, and then make a coherent post, since so far your posts and opinions have been all over the place.

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Yukon Cornelius

Wow I don't wanna be rude... So ill be nice

We are using technology and our brains to eliminate our natural responsibilities, though its still inherent..

Just because technology evolves does not mean that we have. Just because we have invented does not mean we have evolved.. It means we have figured out that 2+2 =4 that's not evolution, that's our brain(which we have always had)... Basically if were born in a jungle with mommy and daddy away from modern civilization with no idea it was there you would rely on basic human instinct not technology...

Do you understand that ? We have suppressed our gender roles... I should have said with modern technology our gender roles are non- existent.

Sorry if I have confused you..

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sleepy jack

So you believe in evolution but you also believe that humans, going back through all our ancestors, have always had brains?

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jibber

Obviously I understand what you are saying, but my point is that you have yet to offer any type of conclusion about this other than stating two very different and contradictory views of gender roles. Yes, from a strictly biological standpoint, women are designed to bear and raise children, which you pointed out with the observation that biology defines gender roles. Yes, our species has developed to a point where we no longer have a need to adhere ONLY to the biological gender roles for survival.

Both valid observations, but completely useless in the discussion at hand unless you relate it in some way to the current theme of discussion. When you jumped in, the debate had been about weather a woman had more or less of a responsibility to her children than the father simply because of her biological attributes.

You jumped in, provided arguments for both sides, and haven't offered any analysis of your own. If you were simply arguing semantics and had no intention of actually offering an opinion then fine, but I don't see you as a person who backs away from an opinionated statement so it would be nice if you would specify which argument you're actually trying to promote.

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That poor horse.
There's gonna be nothing left of him.

Yukon Cornelius

^^^ You just stand by.


Sleepy and Jibber look,

#1 we are a sub species, that's where our evolution has stopped..
#2 I am speaking strictly on Homo sapiens sapeins.
#3 Technology for homo sapiens sapiens is not evolution, homo sapien to homo sapiens sapiens is.


I don't think that if we have been homo sapiens sapiens with the same brain capacity for as long as we have that proves evolution for our species. We have always had the ability to think. Basically put inventions are not evolution that is the homo sapiens sapiens brain at work. You can see this today and everyday someone invents something... If you would like to say that every invention is considered evolution then I will question your understanding of evolution. Unless you are thinking beyond our current species, which i am not.

EDIT: how this applies to gender roles is that we naturally are built certain ways, obviously. Women are designed to be caregivers, men to hunt etc...
90000 years of technology over time has suppressed our natural responsibility's. However we did not evolve since then.. Without the modern world you start over from scratch thus reassigning our gender roles. Then in 90000 years you have what we have today, not because of evolution but because of our brain...

naturally yes, with current technology no... However I still think they have the upper hand and should not suppress mans natural role unless it is completely agreed on both sides and beneficial for the most important thing for our species... Survival. Its funny how the human brain disagrees with that statement, Money is survival.. Wow there's a concept.. But money is an invention... not evolution..

We are a product of domestication not evolution. By that i mean without (as state before to bring home the point) what you and I know as modern, we rely on the our natural responsibilities...

And I will wait for you do destroy this but it cant be broken it is what it is end thread...


The first traces of modern humans are now dated tentatively as far back as 90,000 years ago in the Middle East.

History of HOMO SAPIENS

And I will wait for you do destroy this but it cant be broken it is what it is end thread...

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Scarlett O'Hara

What the heck are you talking about? Jibber is right, you need to seriously figure out what you are actually trying to say because I think you're arguing for the sake of arguing, and losing major track of what you're saying.

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