Bane of your existence

Protector, more aggressive, less caring.

Again, ton of subtleties here. I know the kinds of people it seems like I'm identifying with. It's not like that.

As far as dudes plucking eyebrows to look good and all this, it's fleeting, I hope.

Anyone can live any way they want in my eyes. No pressure.

sleepy jack

How are those innate? I can think of plenty of males, who don't pluck their eyebrows or wear tight pants who are far more "feminine" by those standards masculine. I'm one of them - I've never been the dominate one in a relationship and I rarely ever (in real life) actually get angry or upset. You could argue this comes down to how I was raised but by the same token my upbringing was fairly ordinary and there's no reason that I should go against what is the nature of a penis according to you.

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Freebase Dali

Males adhering to a natural inclination that has no societal influence, like aggressiveness, has absolutely nothing to do with socially imposed expectations.
If a guy is more aggressive than a girl, it's not a gender role. It's a fact of nature. And if it's the other way around, like a guy being less aggressive than a girl, it's still nature. If you don't believe that, then you're in the school of thought that reasons homosexuals can change their sexual preference. No. Doesn't work like that. It's not an environmental cue.

And, as far as "dudes plucking their eyebrows", well I guess that's just a personal choice. I think they look ridiculous too, but they're involved with how they look so they can score some ass. It may be a passing thing, but it's not a role that anyone is expected, on a large scale, to adhere to.

Your argument has nothing to do with the original post idea.

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Blue

I've always felt they were mostly just a product of how our culture views socially acceptable gender standards. I'm a man, yet I don't like what the stereotypical man likes. I'd rather spend my time doing something creative and artistic like music, or reading, or generally something that's intellectually stimulating. I don't like action movies, I don't have that much of an interest in sports, I don't have an interest in "picking up" women (not that I don't want to meet women of course, but I think there's a difference between meeting and trying to pick up and bed), I don't have an interest in violence, I don't have an interest in giving off an image of "tough," or really many of the socially viewed stereotypical male interests/qualities. I also like to care, which apparently isn't quite a male quality either. I think it's really up to the individual, as someone else said.

Bane of your existence

How is aggresiveness innate?? Testosterone?
Protector? Testosterone?
Less caring? Talk to any feminist philosopher about over-aggressive patriarchy and why men are inherently less caring individuals. Or about the "care ethic."

You're all good to live how you want, I feel like you're trying to get me to pick on you for it.

Blue

So do you believe a man can't be a genuinely caring individual, or are you just saying generally?

Bane of your existence

That's what I said. But purposely taking on traditionally feminin activities isn't just letting go of social stigmas. It's a shitty trend.

When I type something, do you read it?
Thanks for the update on homosexuality. You really saved me there.
You're probably under the school of thought that cringes when you see to guys kissing, and fap, cheer, and cheers to two lesbians. As long as we're going on assumptions.

Bane of your existence

Generally, and not that we aren't carring. Just in an overall, side-by-side comparison, not as much as females.

Blue

Generally, I can agree, though I guess I've never really understood the stereotypical male myself; how can people care so little and be so half-hearted? I think there's exceptions to every rule though.

Freebase Dali

That aspect of yourself isn't something that's new. Think about our great artists, musicians, and creative minds throughout history. I'm sure they didn't prefer to spend their time sword fighting and seeing how hard they could punch each other before getting knocked out. Yet, they were accepted and admired because of their talents.
But had those artists and musicians served as homemakers while their wives worked in the mills, they surely would have been looked down upon at historical points in time. Hell, even within the last 30 years you could see it.

Back to the OP:

The roles each gender plays has been a socially influenced factor in our culture for so many years, we've started to think it's natural, when in reality, it's not. We've come a long way from living in caves and hunting for food. Back then, gender would likely dictate to a point.. But where our intelligence arrives, the physical aspects that separate a man's strength from a woman's becomes irrelevant.
In today's world, physical strength and manliness does nothing for success unless you're a professional fighter or sportsman. And we've even got women's fighting and sports leagues. The classic limitations society has put on gender is no longer applicable. The only thing that remains is bias that's remnant of the past.

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