Gender Roles (techno, offspring, members, careers, shows)

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 04-04-2009, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by FireInCairo

You're all boring and whiny

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It's called a discussion.

Yukon Cornelius · 04-04-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

I'm not saying humans are not designed to reproduce, I am saying just because women give birth to children it does not mean the man does not have a role in the bringing up of them. As in, there is a blurry line to who does what when regarding different genders. You are already arguing though? I just want you to understand that it's not women's sole role in life to raise children.

What is the women's sole purpose if you don't mind me asking? Obviously i am missing something.. BTW we are talking from natures perspective not technology's..

sleepy jack · 04-04-2009, 12:38 AM

If one were to take an extreme utilitarian point of view towards humanity then yes the only "purpose" of a female is to birth and care for a child but by that same token the only "purpose" of the male is to impregnate the female and hunt.

This all begs the question though what exactly is the point of life beyond reproducing? There's no room for intellect in that philosophy or really anything beyond sex and eating. In fact when talking about that I hate to use the word purpose because it implies that you're moving towards something, in reality all you're doing is keeping the human race going for another generation and there's no purpose in that just a senseless continuation.

Yukon Cornelius · 04-04-2009, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

If one were to take a very utilitarian point of view towards humanity then yes the only "purpose" of a female is to birth and care for a child but by that same token the only "purpose" of the male is to impregnate the female.

And this is why sex is so euphoric..

Stated wonderfully.. So then that means everything else is meaningless, man made, not natural, not related. Mother nature has done what she intended, it makes me no better than a female, we just have different roles/purposes.

So we have found our answer and its time to dust off our hands and make a new thread.

Roygbiv · 04-04-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

If one were to take an extreme utilitarian point of view towards humanity then yes the only "purpose" of a female is to birth and care for a child but by that same token the only "purpose" of the male is to impregnate the female and hunt.

This all begs the question though what exactly is the point of life beyond reproducing? There's no room for intellect in that philosophy or really anything beyond sex and eating in fact when talking about that I hate to use the word purpose because it implies that you're moving towards something, in reality all you're doing is keeping the human race going for another generation.

^ this.

Also, you'll all be interestd to know that the above isn't even our most primitive selves. The ancestors before "gender roles" were actually extremely egalitarian, meaning everyone was equal.

sleepy jack · 04-04-2009, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

Stated wonderfully.. So then that means everything else is meaningless, man made, not natural, not related. Mother nature has done what she intended, it makes me no better than a female, we just have different roles/purposes.

So we have found our answer and its time to dust off our hands and make a new thread.

We haven't found the answer though because that idea doesn't take into account human intellect which is far from meaningless. I also don't see any "purpose" in that view of life seeing as it's just the senseless continuation of a race with no pleasure.

Yukon Cornelius · 04-04-2009, 12:58 AM

Always digging sleepy...

Can we give the same credit to monkeys? dolphins? I just feel that we have our limitations too, intellect or not. Evolution of course may prove this theory wrong.. master... is a pleasure as well maybe evo wont let us do this without impregnating ourselves Basically multi-sexing us since we have suppressed it with contraceptives...

Maybe ...

However evolution is ahead of me if I cant see it I know only what I know right now... Fun to wonder about it though.

sleepy jack · 04-04-2009, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

Always digging sleepy...

Can we give the same credit to monkeys? dolphins? I just feel that we have our limitations too, intellect or not. Evolution of course may prove this theory wrong.. master... is a pleasure as well maybe evo wont let us do this without impregnating ourselves Basically multi-sexing us since we have suppressed it with contraceptives...

Maybe ...

However evolution is ahead of me if I cant see it I know only what I know right now... Fun to wonder about it though.

Our intellect has allowed us to progress beyond this extreme utilitarianism you're talking about where we should exist solely to continue the race and nothing more. You can see this in the fact we have morals, a government, technology and society. All this has enabled us to demolish traditional gender roles you see in the animal kingdom. I don't know why you want to give credits to dolphins and monkeys. They aren't as intelligent as humans (generally) and don't contemplate issues of morality nor do they have the kind of societies we have.

A couple of small points that don't really make sense...evolution will let us masturbate. We have hands and the knowledge of our to pleasure ourselves with them. You can't impregnate yourself by masturbation either. Contraceptives were invented solely for purposes of pleasure; something that there's no room for in your view of society where all everyone does is find their mate, have a litter and then they, as a family, try and stay healthy until they die of old age.

Yukon Cornelius · 04-04-2009, 01:27 AM

the masturbation thing: Either you didn't read it write or i didn't explain it right or we're just tired...

It was more along the line of suppressing something that is natural for us and evolution takes it over so we can continue to produce offspring...

Dolphins and monkeys are not isolated they are very social animals. Dolphins help each other and hunt together... Monkeys are also social, they are caring, have families (if there called that or not i dont know) and groom each other...

So are humans, in fact even more.. but that doesn't take away nature, our purpose, or our limitations.. Just because we are the smartest species right now doesn't make us more than just another species.

Thats what i mean by we have our limitations too... We have evolved this far, maybe we will do more... Maybe we will not, our intellect like the dolphins allows us to be what we are.. I also think that with the technology the way it is that we may have even slowed evolution..

TheBig3 · 04-04-2009, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

That's called sexism, friend.

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Originally Posted by khfreek

I'm out of this thread, I have some serious thinking to do.

What I'd like to ask khfreek is "why do you think its wrong" if women don't have to work but choose to.

To me calling him a sexist (or anyone an -ist of any nature) shuts down discussion and understanding and makes people defensive.

If you think its wrong thats fine, but I'd like to know why.

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Yukon Cornelius Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 625	the masturbation thing: Either you didn't read it write or i didn't explain it right or we're just tired... It was more along the line of suppressing something that is natural for us and evolution takes it over so we can continue to produce offspring... Dolphins and monkeys are not isolated they are very social animals. Dolphins help each other and hunt together... Monkeys are also social, they are caring, have families (if there called that or not i dont know) and groom each other... So are humans, in fact even more.. but that doesn't take away nature, our purpose, or our limitations.. Just because we are the smartest species right now doesn't make us more than just another species. Thats what i mean by we have our limitations too... We have evolved this far, maybe we will do more... Maybe we will not, our intellect like the dolphins allows us to be what we are.. I also think that with the technology the way it is that we may have even slowed evolution.. __________________ Attempting to find a cure for Stupid... Last edited by Yukon Cornelius; 04-04-2009 at 01:34 AM.