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Yukon Cornelius 03-27-2009 07:41 PM

Watch this..
 
I just want everyone's take but you have to watch the whole thing prior to posting.

YouTube - The Obama Deception HQ Full length version

mr dave 03-27-2009 09:32 PM

the government is not out to 'get' you.

the people who create conspiracy theories are.

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 07:54 AM

Based off what?? I work for the gov and I don't doubt this at all. By the way did you really watch the video or are you basing that off the title??? Maybe you should watch before you post, since its only obvious you didn't.

SATCHMO 03-28-2009 08:02 AM

It disappoints me, but it doesn't really surprise me.

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO (Post 624061)
It disappoints me, but it doesn't really surprise me.

It is the truth... You last good president is dead because he didn't want to be pulled by strings...

It should not surprise you at all..

What I don't understand is while all this happens there are not enough ppl who want to know or care enough to do anything. Unfortunately I would prefer to not be the ostrich, it is a gift to know, hell the Elite are so bold they don't care if you know, simply cause they think that you will pass it off and go right back to American Idol.

Guybrush 03-28-2009 08:24 AM

Hahaha .. I thought "okay, I'll watch it", but then it turns out the whole clip is like 2 hours long.

Again you fail to make a thread whose first post actually encourages debate. If I were you, I'd summarize some of the stuff from that 2 hours video so that people actually know what the thread is about.

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 624071)
Hahaha .. I thought "okay, I'll watch it", but then it turns out the whole clip is like 2 hours long.

Again you fail to make a thread whose first post actually encourages debate. If I were you, I'd summarize some of the stuff from that 2 hours video so that people actually know what the thread is about.

Just watch it tore... Its important.

What this video is about to me is "world domination" I am an American and I don't wish this kinda **** on anyone.

If you are to lazy to watch the video than i guess that your goals and mine differ. You can do what you want to save some money and ill press on to help educate and save freedom cause that's more precious than a light bulb.

Guybrush 03-28-2009 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius (Post 624078)
If you are to lazy to watch the video than i guess that your goals and mine differ. You can do what you want to save some money and ill press on to help educate and save freedom cause that's more precious than a light bulb.

Well, if you want to educate, then educate .. Don't just say "watch this" and expect someone to spend 2 hours of their day because you think that's smart.

Also, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I do believe in corruption. I also believe in the powers of suggestion and manipulation and they can be used by both sides. I had a glance at the first 10 seconds and already I was being bombarded with it.

There's the ominous spooky sound, then out comes Obama .. Then the words "HOPE" followed by "BETRAYED".

I didn't bother watching much more, but only from that, I could see it was made by someone who obviously wants to manipulate the watcher, perhaps with truth but also by suggestion.

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 624081)
Well, if you want to educate, then educate .. Don't just say "watch this" and expect someone to spend 2 hours of their day because you think that's smart.

Also, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I do believe in corruption. I also believe in the powers of suggestion and manipulation and they can be used by both sides. I had a glance at the first 10 seconds and already I was being bombarded with it.

There's the ominous spooky sound, then out comes Obama .. Then the words "HOPE" followed by "BETRAYED".

I didn't bother watching much more, but only from that, I could see it was made by someone who obviously wants to manipulate the watcher, perhaps with truth but also by suggestion.

There are actual facts in there. they are important ones... Lets just say that this is going on and you know it is, would you care to watch at that point. I look for crap like this because it makes you think. I don't know, It goes on farther stating that they are rebuilding and strengthening prisons and retention camps because they are preparing for riots and resistance.. I know that once you see the last peice of the puzzle place in right before it starts that you will wish you had some idea of why your light don't come on ever. I know you didn't watch much more why would you, you have so much to do. BTW if you think that it is manipulating you then know that while your watching it. I guarantee that you will be alarmed at the facts provided.

Guybrush 03-28-2009 08:57 AM

I'm not sure you know what suggestion is, though. I'll post an example.

Imagine that I'm gonna do a card trick on you where you get to choose a card, then I want to guess what the card is. I say "just choose whatever colour and number you like".

That is suggestion. You may think you're free to choose whatever card you want, but I actually told you to pick a red card between 1 and 10. The picture cards are not numbers and red is the only colour in a deck of cards and the one people will always think of. Most people are susceptible to such suggestion and would pick a red card between 2 and 10 (also ruling out the ace). Then you can assume that hearts are more popular than squares and some numbers are also more popular than others.


You can see already at the start that they are using such ways of manipulation to implant in you from early on that Obama is a bad man, betraying hope and whatnot. You may like that kind of stuff, but I think it immediately discredits the whole thing. Facts speak up for themselves, they don't need help by petty attempts at manipulation.

Ask yourself this : Could someone make this up and make it seem credible? If the answer is yes, then you should be sceptical.

anticipation 03-28-2009 09:04 AM

regardless of whether or not this video has merit or not, or whether it makes you think about corruption and conspiricies is immaterial. what it imporant is the fact that you're not going to do anything about anything because you're all theory and no action, and yet you still feel it's your civic duty to expose the extremely biased side of politics with little to no proof.

hold your head a little higher enlightened crusader, hopefully your neck will break.

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 624097)
regardless of whether or not this video has merit or not, or whether it makes you think about corruption and conspiricies is immaterial. what it imporant is the fact that you're not going to do anything about anything because you're all theory and no action, and yet you still feel it's your civic duty to expose the extremely biased side of politics with little to no proof.

hold your head a little higher enlightened crusader, hopefully your neck will break.

The proof is in the video

Guybrush 03-28-2009 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius (Post 624100)
The proof is in the video

If the video is "proof", then why is the proof only in the video?

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 623834)
the government is not out to 'get' you.

the people who create conspiracy theories are.

I know your right, because they dont care about you its more about whats in your wallet. Hey did you catch american idol last week???

anticipation 03-28-2009 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius (Post 624100)
The proof is in the video

i'm not in the habit of blindly accepting information from unreliable sources, especially those who have never met me and therefore could not possibly have my best interests in mind.

Guybrush 03-28-2009 09:34 AM

Since Yukon fails to give any kind of real information on what this movie is about, I'll post the description from Youtube :

Quote:

Get the DVD @
Alex Jones' Infowars Shop...
Barack Obama Impeachment
The Obama Deception is a hard-hitting film that completely destroys the myth that Barack Obama is working for the best interests of the American people.

The Obama phenomenon is a hoax carefully crafted by the captains of the New World Order. He is being pushed as savior in an attempt to con the American people into accepting global slavery.

We have reached a critical juncture in the New World Order's plans. It's not about Left or Right: it's about a One World Government. The international banks plan to loot the people of the United States and turn them into slaves on a Global Plantation.

Covered in this film: who Obama works for, what lies he has told, and his real agenda. If you want to know the facts and cut through all the hype, this is the film for you.

Watch the Obama Deception and learn how:

- Obama is continuing the process of transforming America into something that resembles Nazi Germany, with forced National Service, domestic civilian spies, warrantless wiretaps, the destruction of the Second Amendment, FEMA camps and Martial Law.

- Obama's handlers are openly announcing the creation of a new Bank of the World that will dominate every nation on earth through carbon taxes and military force.

- International bankers purposefully engineered the worldwide financial meltdown to bankrupt the nations of the planet and bring in World Government.

- Obama plans to loot the middle class, destroy pensions and federalize the states so that the population is completely dependent on the Central Government.

- The Elite are using Obama to pacify the public so they can usher in the North American Union by stealth, launch a new Cold War and continue the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
Obama wants to turn you all into slaves and then go for world domination? Damn, he is a schlongsucker!

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 624112)
Since Yukon fails to give any kind of real information on what this movie is about, I'll post the description from Youtube :



Obama wants to turn you all into slaves and then go for world domination? Damn, he is a schlongsucker!

Why are ppl so strongly against this idea here watch this its shorter

George Carlin - Do You Have Freedom Of Choice? - Video

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 624097)
regardless of whether or not this video has merit or not, or whether it makes you think about corruption and conspiricies is immaterial. what it imporant is the fact that you're not going to do anything about anything because you're all theory and no action, and yet you still feel it's your civic duty to expose the extremely biased side of politics with little to no proof.

hold your head a little higher enlightened crusader, hopefully your neck will break.

Shall we agree that you to have not a single piece of evidence to prove me wrong? So then I guess we are all the same here... Its just a post based off either a very strange coincidence or the obvious truth.

Janszoon 03-28-2009 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius (Post 624122)
Shall we agree that you to have not a single piece of evidence to prove me wrong?

I guess you aren't familiar with the concept of the burden of proof.

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 10:12 AM

I don't feel i have any duties, ... If i know something that could potentially ruin your day and keep it to myself knowingly and evade or at least attempt to evade it I would have a better chance of resolve then you would. So rather than doing that, i asked for your opinion and gave you the info for you to make a informed honest factual answer. Rather you say, that "Im on a quest to save us all from doom". Understand, this is not a points game to me, i don't care how you manipulate an answer based on what you think you know. I know what you know and something else, the something else i know is what i am sharing, thus your opinion is one way which is not what i asked you. Therefore your posts are irrelevant. I'm not trying to be mean, in fact im not, I would just prefer opinions based on both sides that's all.

If you don't watch the video how can you reply based off what you think you know? After all, that's all it is what we think we know.

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 624125)
I guess you aren't familiar with the concept of the burden of proof.

I guess your just going to do the same thing...

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 624125)
I guess you aren't familiar with the concept of the burden of proof.

I guess you know everything and we should all listen to you??? This makes no sense to me. What is proof ?? Show me yours before you get ahead of yourself? I put mine up please debunk it thanks....

Janszoon 03-28-2009 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius (Post 624130)
If you don't watch the video how can you reply based off what you think you know? After all, that's all it is what we think we know.

I know that random YouTube videos are a terrible source for factual information. The end.

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 624125)
I guess you aren't familiar with the concept of the burden of proof.

Sorry that would probably take to much time out of your useless posts...

Guybrush 03-28-2009 10:18 AM

I'm just gonna mention this quick because I'm tired of watching Yukon add to one post by making several new posts.

Yukon, you know - you can edit your posts. If you want to add something to it, you can edit it and then put in whatever you forgot to write at the bottom. That way, you don't end up making three posts after one another.

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 624134)
I know that random YouTube videos are a terrible source for factual information. The end.

Did you know that china has banned and currently banned utube form its ppl, based on the same ideas that we are talking about right now? So if i watched a documentary on how the sky was blue is it BS.. I understand that you can only take conspiracy's with a grain of salt but show me that i am wrong rather than using stupid comments and biased opinions ... O that would take to much time wouldnt it...

Janszoon 03-28-2009 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius (Post 624133)
I guess you know everything and we should all listen to you??? This makes no sense to me. What is proof ?? Show me yours before you get ahead of yourself? I put mine up please debunk it thanks....

LOL. The "burden of proof" means that it's up to the person making the claim (that's you in this case) to prove what they are saying. It's not the responsibility of others to prove you wrong. You have to make your own case.

Guybrush 03-28-2009 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius (Post 624138)
... O that would take to much time wouldnt it...

You didn't bother taking the time to write anything about what that movie shows. Instead, you want each one of us to sit and watch it for two hours.

Fail.

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden (Post 624136)
I'm just gonna mention this quick because I'm tired of watching Yukon add to one post by making several new posts.

Yukon, you know - you can edit your posts. If you want to add something to it, you can edit it and then put in whatever you forgot to write at the bottom. That way, you don't end up making three posts after one another.

Perfect example of lack of knowlege, please stick to topic rather than post crap. Sorry for being so sharp but your not contributing your beating around the bush...

Guybrush 03-28-2009 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius (Post 624141)
Perfect example of lack of knowlege, please stick to topic rather than post crap. Sorry for being so sharp but your not contributing your beating around the bush...

Actually, it's not beating about the bush. It's just that when I click "User CP", I get a list of all the threads I've subscribed to and whenever you make a new one-liner post saying something you forgot to add to your last, the thread shows up on my page. Besides, you're needlessly spamming your own thread.

Consider my pointer a friendly tip.

SATCHMO 03-28-2009 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 624097)
regardless of whether or not this video has merit or not, or whether it makes you think about corruption and conspiricies is immaterial. what it important is the fact that you're not going to do anything about anything because you're all theory and no action, and yet you still feel it's your civic duty to expose the extremely biased side of politics with little to no proof.

hold your head a little higher enlightened crusader, hopefully your neck will break.

And still the question remains. Did you watch the video?
I honestly feel that it IS our civic duty to expose the truth as it is the only means of combating the ignorance which allows us to be taken advantage of continually.
The truth is that we don't want Barack Obama to be anything less than the messiah that the media has built him up to be, but the truth remains that if he had the power or authority that we attribute to him, or the intention to create positive change for the common citizens of this country and of the world he either wouldn't have been elected or he'd be dead.

Janszoon 03-28-2009 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius (Post 624141)
Perfect example of lack of knowlege, please stick to topic rather than post crap. Sorry for being so sharp but your not contributing your beating around the bush...

Your OP has no content. Do you really think it's reasonable to expect a lot of content from people responding to it?

Schredds 03-28-2009 10:39 AM

OMG this thread is unreal real, lol, I had never paid much attention to consiparcy theory until a few days ago when a guy mentioned it to me at work, and let me tell you, it is a bunch of horse****, and whoever buys into that has a few screws lose upstair let me tell you. Holy ****, who even has time to buy into that, life is too short. I did watch only about 10 minutes of that video and thats all I needed to see, Im not afraid of seeing what you call 'the truth' or what I might see, Im just not that gullible and have much more productive things to do with my time. Its like reading the national enquirer magazine and believing what you read because it was in the magazine so it must be true, **** that, its rediculous. I am not relgious, I think its rediculous, but after learning about all this conspiracy nonsence I give religious people far more credit than anyone who believes in conspiracy theory.

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 624149)
Your OP has no content. Do you really think it's reasonable to expect a lot of content from people responding to it?

What happened to the last president that didn't want to play by the rules?? or any other.... They were killed

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson, (Attributed)
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schredds (Post 624152)
OMG this thread is unreal real, lol, I had never paid much attention to consiparcy theory until a few days ago when a guy mentioned it to me at work, and let me tell you, it is a bunch of horse****, and whoever buys into that has a few screws lose upstair let me tell you. Holy ****, who even has time to buy into that, life is too short. I did watch only about 10 minutes of that video and thats all I needed to see, Im not afraid of seeing what you call 'the truth' or what I might see, Im just not that gullible and have much more productive things to do with my time. Its like reading the national enquirer magazine and believing what you read because it was in the magazine so it must be true, **** that, its rediculous. I am not relgious, I think its rediculous, but after learning about all this conspiracy nonsence I give religious people far more credit than anyone who believes in conspiracy theory.

HAve you read the bible??

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Schredds (Post 624152)
OMG this thread is unreal real, lol, I had never paid much attention to consiparcy theory until a few days ago when a guy mentioned it to me at work, and let me tell you, it is a bunch of horse****, and whoever buys into that has a few screws lose upstair let me tell you. Holy ****, who even has time to buy into that, life is too short. I did watch only about 10 minutes of that video and thats all I needed to see, Im not afraid of seeing what you call 'the truth' or what I might see, Im just not that gullible and have much more productive things to do with my time. Its like reading the national enquirer magazine and believing what you read because it was in the magazine so it must be true, **** that, its rediculous. I am not relgious, I think its rediculous, but after learning about all this conspiracy nonsence I give religious people far more credit than anyone who believes in conspiracy theory.

The bible speaks of the anti christ who will preach hope and promise. While behind all the wonder be creating new world order. Not to say that is Obama that anti christ but he is another peice of the puzzle and i guarantee you in about 3 years will be wanting him out of office, or maybe he will find osama bin laden and you will reelect him. Either way you can take your religious credit and give it to me.
thanks

Janszoon 03-28-2009 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius (Post 624153)
What happened to the last president that didn't want to play by the rules?? or any other.... They were killed

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
Thomas Jefferson, (Attributed)
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

What about the people whose fathers didn't conquer the continent? What will happen to them?

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 10:54 AM

the anti christ will also promise change... And change nothing just like obama has.. promises to pull troops out and puts in 30000 more marines? I think you should talk to a marine and see how happy they are about that lie...

Schredds 03-28-2009 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius (Post 624155)
HAve you read the bible??

I have, its been many years though, I was born and raised in a chistian family, have you read the bible?

Yukon Cornelius 03-28-2009 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 624158)
What about the people whose fathers didn't conquer the continent? What will happen to them?

It was for us... Not the banks... Greed is evil and it surrounds us every day. You basically have the same mentality. I bet if you were a millionaire you would really hate me.


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