Physical discipline against children .. okay or not? (albums, Tool, quote)

FireInCairo · 03-17-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

I don't remember being beaten (as a small child) but I do know I was and am afraid of my father, and not without reason. I think it's the worst thing in the world to be afraid of your parents, they're the people who are supposed to protect you and make you safe, not the other way around. :\ That's why it's important to send a message out (because really, that's all it is, a message from the state, I mean it's not likely to get enforced rigorously) that there is no excuse for physical abuse.

This. Perfectly expressed.

Yukon Cornelius · 03-25-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by FireInCairo

This. Perfectly expressed.

Sounds like either you have a bad dad or your just a horrible kid whose parents are fed up with your b-s.

Guybrush · 03-17-2009, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Fruitonica

I don't like the term 'beaten' here, I feel like anything that would qualify as a beating would already be protected under standard child abuse laws.

I don't have any problem with smacking children, I was occasionally smacked as a kid, no harm was done. Its work as a deterrent came mostly from the shame of being smacked, rather than the pain. Which I think is a good way for parents to play it, any real harm to the child isn't acceptable.

Generally I feel that children aren't as emotionally fragile as is often reported.

Yup, the thread is not about violence which is clearly prohibited by child abuse laws. It's more generally about introducing physical punishment as a negative consequence for children when they do unwanted behaviour.

Likely, most of us have experienced this in various degrees and I don't think most of us would consider ourselves harmed by it today. But it's often quite hard to say what life would have been like if such violence had or had not not been a part of it. Thus, when looking at the effects of corporal punishment on society etc., I think it's better to look outside ourselves at studies involving for example thousands of people and statistical trends.

I only remember getting smacked on the hand once, which is trivial, and I'm thankful for that. Aside from that one incident, my parents never tried to force or scare me into obedience.

Molecules · 03-17-2009, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

I only remember getting smacked on the hand once, which is trivial, and I'm thankful for that. Aside from that one incident, my parents never tried to force or scare me into obedience.

haha if only English kids were so good! I can't find the link but there was an article recently in BBC News, some professional or other warning that schools/parents are raising a generation of narcissists with a 'me,me,me' mentality, and there are an unprecedented amount of complaints from parents when their children don't get perfect marks on their spelling test etc.

I wonder if the parents this 'warning' is leveled at advocate mild physical punishment in extreme cases? It's almost certain that my parents' generation (for whom there was never any question of getting a smack if you took the piss) are on average more willing to smack their kids than new parents today.

One of the arguments against smacking seems to be that it makes your child develop an aggression complex; if that's the case in today's society where less and less kids are being punished this way then why did the UK government feel the need to introduce ASBO's (anti-social behaviour orders) for an increasingly materialistic and violent youth?
It's a tabloid cliche I know, there have always been binge drinkers (another hot topic in the UK tabloids right now) and anti-social kids but I'm basing it more on statistics I have read and my parents' memories growing up, and how things have changed according to them (rose-tinted nostalgia and senility are accounted for

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It's important to remember that ultraviolence in everyday entertainment and culture in general is totally acceptable nowadays, and there are entire genres of music that are paean to the false gangster culture - these are all going to have an additional affect on kids today, children have been smacked forever I haven't seen any substantial evidence that it turns them into raving psychopaths

crukster · 02-04-2012, 09:53 PM

I agree with it only if you do it to teach them to hit you back. Not cool to use kids as a punching bag or some sadistic realisation of your failed dreams.

musiclover73 · 11-07-2016, 06:12 PM

Just my personal view on disciplining not only yourself but your kids!

When I was younger growing up my parents physically disciplined me when I got out of line.

I hated them for it!

In time over the years I found I'm a better person for it.

I rarely drink alcohol.

I only took dangerous drugs one period in my life.

I hardly even know what a cigerrettte is to this day!!!

I've abstained and waited to have a kid with someone I love.

I have a good head on my shoulders.

Now I believe in disciplining is a good thing but when you take out your hard days work on your kids and say its discipline then we've all crossed the line.

The Batlord · 11-07-2016, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by musiclover73

Just my personal view on disciplining not only yourself but your kids!

When I was younger growing up my parents physically disciplined me when I got out of line.

I hated them for it!

In time over the years I found I'm a better person for it.

I rarely drink alcohol.

I only took dangerous drugs one period in my life.

I hardly even know what a cigerrettte is to this day!!!

I've abstained and waited to have a kid with someone I love.

I have a good head on my shoulders.

Now I believe in disciplining is a good thing but when you take out your hard days work on your kids and say its discipline then we've all crossed the line.

Never... ever... hit your kids.

musiclover73 · 11-07-2016, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Never... ever... hit your kids.

How do the military discipline their people?

When your kids are little and don't know how to speak and starts reaching for a hot stove. Do you say its okay or do you spank the kid and teach the kid that it could have been your life!!!

Blank. · 11-07-2016, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by musiclover73

How do the military discipline their people?

The military does not employ physical discipline anymore.

**Frownland** · 11-07-2016, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by musiclover73

How do the military discipline their people?

When your kids are little and don't know how to speak and starts reaching for a hot stove. Do you say its okay or do you spank the kid and teach the kid that it could have been your life!!!

Fingers=\=life and kids rebel the **** against hyperbole. Why do you think that DARE is such a failure?

Also for a music lover you don't talk about music much.

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musiclover73 Groupie Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 24	Jesus Christ! Just my personal view on disciplining not only yourself but your kids! When I was younger growing up my parents physically disciplined me when I got out of line. I hated them for it! In time over the years I found I'm a better person for it. I rarely drink alcohol. I only took dangerous drugs one period in my life. I hardly even know what a cigerrettte is to this day!!! I've abstained and waited to have a kid with someone I love. I have a good head on my shoulders. Now I believe in disciplining is a good thing but when you take out your hard days work on your kids and say its discipline then we've all crossed the line.

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crukster Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 181	I agree with it only if you do it to teach them to hit you back. Not cool to use kids as a punching bag or some sadistic realisation of your failed dreams.