Physical discipline against children .. okay or not?

**Frownland** · 11-01-2016, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

(2) I don't understand your point. Tobacco is big money, so meh, it is what it is? You're not taking a stance. I don't care, if the government is concerned about public safety than why isn't tobacco regulated? They pick and choose at their own convenience, and while you may be okay with that, I am not.

If they made smoking illegal, would you really roll over and change your mind or would you use the same argument that it sets a dangerous precedent? Because I think that argument would come up a lot in that instance.

Anyway, kind of a mix of false equivalency, red herring, and ad hominem going on up in here. I really think it's a lot more logical to look at each case on their own and not cite flaws of the government whenever they attempt progress.

Lucem Ferre · 11-01-2016, 02:24 PM

I'm not saying I'm against vaccines but it is you putting trust in them that they will vaccinate you and not infect you with STDs, or something. Whether or not the trust is earned in that area is irrelevant to that fact.

Chula Vista · 11-01-2016, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

(2) I don't understand your point. Tobacco is big money, so meh, it is what it is? You're not taking a stance. I don't care, if the government is concerned about public safety than why isn't tobacco regulated? They pick and choose at their own convenience, and while you may be okay with that, I am not.

A politicians first concern is remaining a politician. Introducing legislation that would put the tobacco industry out of business would be political suicide. You fight the fights you know you stand a chance to win. They are not picking and choosing out of convenience sake.

Have you ever seen the movie The American President? There's a great string of scenes that show the president's staff are trying to lobby congressmen to commit to a piece of the president's legislation. One by one they get turned down because the presidents popularity rating has tanked. It really illustrates perfectly how things work in Washington.

Found part of it. NSFW

**Frownland** · 11-01-2016, 02:26 PM

Lucie

Too much if, not enough fact. If there was evidence of that occurring I'd reconsider my position but alas, here we are.

DwnWthVwls · 11-01-2016, 02:30 PM

I already answered that. I would use the same argument, they have no right to tell people what they can and can not do with their bodies. The difference between the vaccinations and smoking is that the government is forcing you to do something to your own body, which is really my biggest gripe about it. No one has the right to do anything to your body you do not want them to. I don't agree with people saving the lives of others who don't want to live either, so you can prepare to **** on me about that when I get home as well. Consent is king.

Sorry for the rambling I'm in a rush, I'll come back and clean this up later. Not even sure I worded it all how I intended it. Peace.

Chula Vista · 11-01-2016, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

They have no right to tell people what they can and can not do with their bodies.

Actually, they do. We elect a congress. They enact laws and then it's our obligation as US citizens to obey those laws.

**Frownland** · 11-01-2016, 02:37 PM

When it comes to vaccinating children, the government is actually telling parents that they can't decide what someone else does with their own bodies. Different body at work regulating someone's actions, much more drastic of an outcome.

WWWP · 11-01-2016, 02:37 PM

Lucem Ferre · 11-01-2016, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Lucie

Too much if, not enough fact. If there was evidence of that occurring I'd reconsider my position but alas, here we are.

There is evidence of it occurring before, but with the government putting an end to it. I don't think they are doing it now, just that it can happen and you are putting trust in it not happening again. Kind of like how you are putting trust in the chef not to dump rat poison in your food.

**Frownland** · 11-01-2016, 02:50 PM

I guess you could say that I have trust in what reality presents to me.

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11-01-2016, 02:26 PM	#754 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Lucie Too much if, not enough fact. If there was evidence of that occurring I'd reconsider my position but alas, here we are. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

11-01-2016, 02:37 PM	#757 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	When it comes to vaccinating children, the government is actually telling parents that they can't decide what someone else does with their own bodies. Different body at work regulating someone's actions, much more drastic of an outcome. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

11-01-2016, 02:50 PM	#760 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I guess you could say that I have trust in what reality presents to me. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

11-01-2016, 02:24 PM	#752 (permalink)
Lucem Ferre Cuter Than Post Malone. Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 4,978	I'm not saying I'm against vaccines but it is you putting trust in them that they will vaccinate you and not infect you with STDs, or something. Whether or not the trust is earned in that area is irrelevant to that fact.