Physical discipline against children .. okay or not? (effect, shows, quote)

Schredds · 03-18-2009, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by right-track

There's an old saying...spare the rod and spoil the child.

My strategy with parenting is based on that maxim.
Although it's important not to be too harsh equally as it is not to spoil them by allowing the child to get away with blue murder.
Being a parent is a massive responsibility and ensuring the child grows up to be a well balanced human being, knowing the difference between right and wrong, is the biggest responsibility of all.

If the child knows exactly why he/she is being disciplined, then I see no harm with a swift smack on the hand.

Amen to that, and I think more parents need to adopt this way of thinking.

right-track · 03-18-2009, 05:54 AM

I'm betting he does.

Somewhere between SATHMO's post and Schredds lies the truth of managing a child.

lucifer_sam · 03-18-2009, 06:32 AM

I understand you're trying to make a point (with some good sources too) but it's not in good taste or health to argue against personal experience.

Guybrush · 03-18-2009, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

I understand you're trying to make a point (with some good sources too) but it's not in good taste or health to argue against personal experience.

Alright, my personal experience against Shredds experiences then.

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Originally Posted by Schredds

I was a bad kid and to be honest I got spanked all the time

I didn't get spanked and I was a good kid.

My nephews are the best kids I know and they're not being corporally punished either.

lucifer_sam · 03-18-2009, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

Alright, my personal experience against Shredds experiences then.

You misunderstand me. I'm saying you've got a wealth of all this great information but this is how many of us were raised. And seeing as how we didn't turn out to be criminals (most of us, anyways), it's hard for us to look back and say "well that was mighty nice and all but I kinda wish that Momma didn't smack me when I kicked my sister."

And for the record, there are DEFINITELY families that positive punishment doesn't work for (see: mine).

Guybrush · 03-18-2009, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

You misunderstand me. I'm saying you've got a wealth of all this great information but this is how many of us were raised. And seeing as how we didn't turn out to be criminals (most of us, anyways), it's hard for us to look back and say "well that was mighty nice and all but I kinda wish that Momma didn't smack me when I kicked my sister."

And for the record, there are DEFINITELY families that positive punishment doesn't work for (see: mine).

Yeah, but :

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Originally Posted by adidasss

This thread is (also) about the impact of corporal punishment on society which is not something you can debate based on personal experience. Also, as tore states, anecdotal evidence is really no evidence at all to support a claim.

Thanks adidasss for being so understanding.

To lucifer_sam and everyone else, of course not everyone who gets corporal punishments turn into criminals. Then over 90% of the american population would be criminals.

You have to look at the question objectively and more holistically than personal experiences allow for which makes referring to such experiences rather futile and pointless when you look at the bigger picture.

"Should corporal punishment be banned? No, because I was beat and turned out fine." That is intuitive thinking right there, but a moment's thinking should make it appearant that making decisions for the whole of society based on you is not a good idea.

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And so we rely on studies to guide our decisions ..

Schredds · 03-18-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

Alright, my personal experience against Shredds experiences then.

I didn't get spanked and I was a good kid.

My nephews are the best kids I know and they're not being corporally punished either.

You are making it seem here in this post that because I got spanked I was a bad kid and because you didnt get spanked you were a good kid, I got spanked because nothing else would deter me from disobeying my parents, and in the long run it straightened me out, if no other punishment works to get your children to do the right thing and as they are told by their loving parents, are you tellin me that they should give up on punishment because a spanking is wrong????? If so, thats the most rediculous thing I have ever heard.

Guybrush · 03-18-2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Schredds

if no other punishment works to get your children to do the right thing and as they are told by their loving parents, are you tellin me that they should give up on punishment because a spanking is wrong????? If so, thats the most rediculous thing I have ever heard.

Am I saying that? I don't know. Is it in there?

It was a reply to lucifer_sam merely because the way I understood it, he felt everything I wrote was against personal experience so far. If you've read my other posts, you'll see that I don't care that much for personal experiences posted in this thread. I posted it out of annoyance as much as anything else. As such, that post wasn't actually meant to be a convincing argument. For that, just read the post I posted before that one.

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I kinda saw your post coming, though. If you post hundreds of serious lines of valid, good points and arguments and then add 5 lines of something less serious, there's always someone who's gonna accomplish ignoring almost everything you wrote except those 5 lines.

Schredds · 03-18-2009, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

Am I saying that? I don't know. Is it in there?

It was a reply to lucifer_sam merely because the way I understood it, he felt everything I wrote was against personal experience so far. If you've read my other posts, you'll see that I don't care that much for personal experiences posted in this thread. I posted it out of annoyance as much as anything else. As such, that post wasn't actually meant to be a convincing argument. For that, just read the post I posted before that one.

Thats just what it seemed like to me, but either way I say we just agree to disagree like you said earlier, I believe what I believe, and you believe what you believe, plain and simple, Im done on this topic anyways.

adidasss · 03-18-2009, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

I understand you're trying to make a point (with some good sources too) but it's not in good taste or health to argue against personal experience.

This thread is (also) about the impact of corporal punishment on society which is not something you can debate based on personal experience. Also, as tore states, anecdotal evidence is really no evidence at all to support a claim.

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03-18-2009, 06:32 AM	#3 (permalink)
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03-18-2009, 05:54 AM	#2 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,769	I'm betting he does. Somewhere between SATHMO's post and Schredds lies the truth of managing a child.