Physical discipline against children .. okay or not? (effect, shows, quote)

Guybrush · 03-18-2009, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

I understand you're trying to make a point (with some good sources too) but it's not in good taste or health to argue against personal experience.

Alright, my personal experience against Shredds experiences then.

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Originally Posted by Schredds

I was a bad kid and to be honest I got spanked all the time

I didn't get spanked and I was a good kid.

My nephews are the best kids I know and they're not being corporally punished either.

adidasss · 03-18-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

I understand you're trying to make a point (with some good sources too) but it's not in good taste or health to argue against personal experience.

This thread is (also) about the impact of corporal punishment on society which is not something you can debate based on personal experience. Also, as tore states, anecdotal evidence is really no evidence at all to support a claim.

lucifer_sam · 03-18-2009, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

Alright, my personal experience against Shredds experiences then.

You misunderstand me. I'm saying you've got a wealth of all this great information but this is how many of us were raised. And seeing as how we didn't turn out to be criminals (most of us, anyways), it's hard for us to look back and say "well that was mighty nice and all but I kinda wish that Momma didn't smack me when I kicked my sister."

And for the record, there are DEFINITELY families that positive punishment doesn't work for (see: mine).

Guybrush · 03-18-2009, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

You misunderstand me. I'm saying you've got a wealth of all this great information but this is how many of us were raised. And seeing as how we didn't turn out to be criminals (most of us, anyways), it's hard for us to look back and say "well that was mighty nice and all but I kinda wish that Momma didn't smack me when I kicked my sister."

And for the record, there are DEFINITELY families that positive punishment doesn't work for (see: mine).

Yeah, but :

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Originally Posted by adidasss

This thread is (also) about the impact of corporal punishment on society which is not something you can debate based on personal experience. Also, as tore states, anecdotal evidence is really no evidence at all to support a claim.

Thanks adidasss for being so understanding.

To lucifer_sam and everyone else, of course not everyone who gets corporal punishments turn into criminals. Then over 90% of the american population would be criminals.

You have to look at the question objectively and more holistically than personal experiences allow for which makes referring to such experiences rather futile and pointless when you look at the bigger picture.

"Should corporal punishment be banned? No, because I was beat and turned out fine." That is intuitive thinking right there, but a moment's thinking should make it appearant that making decisions for the whole of society based on you is not a good idea.

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And so we rely on studies to guide our decisions ..

adidasss · 03-18-2009, 07:58 AM

Btw, apologies for my first post, apparently there is room for an interesting discussion, even if it is a little frustrating...

Guybrush · 03-18-2009, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

Btw, apologies for my first post, apparently there is room for an interesting discussion, even if it is a little frustrating...:p

It's frustrating because the perspective changes with each contributor. Most here are posting based solely on own experience while some post on the behalf of everyone.

adidasss · 03-18-2009, 08:02 AM

I think you're actually the only one trying to approach it from a more neutral and scientific standpoint...

Guybrush · 03-18-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by adidasss

I think you're actually the only one trying to approach it from a more neutral and scientific standpoint...

Yeah, I feel like it happens to me rather frequently

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One of the reasons for me doing so other than my usual preference for the empirically proven and objective truths is that a law banning corporal punishment is debated in Norway these days. Do we want it or not? Of course that will have implications for society and so that's what I'm interested in.

right-track · 03-18-2009, 08:12 AM

While things always look good on paper, there's no substitute for practical experience.

If the kid isn't made to feel humiliated and fully understands why he/she is being punished after all else has failed, then in my opinion, physical discipline against children is okay providing the parent is in control of the situation and the child learns an important lesson of life.

What's important here is that the child has respect for the parent(s), for the child to develop a level of self discipline as a result.

adidasss · 03-18-2009, 08:19 AM

Yeah, I think you need to go back a page and read what the nice Norwegian posted from wiki, we don't want him having a nervous breakdown...

View Poll Results: Physical punishment aganist children. Acceptable or Unacceptable?
Acceptable	50	56.82%
Unacceptable	38	43.18%
Voters: 88. You may not vote on this poll

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03-18-2009, 08:12 AM	#69 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	While things always look good on paper, there's no substitute for practical experience. If the kid isn't made to feel humiliated and fully understands why he/she is being punished after all else has failed, then in my opinion, physical discipline against children is okay providing the parent is in control of the situation and the child learns an important lesson of life. What's important here is that the child has respect for the parent(s), for the child to develop a level of self discipline as a result.