Physical discipline against children .. okay or not?

Xurtio · 11-01-2016, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

Once again, the age difference is complete and utter bs. My older brother did worse to me than my parents ever did, and guess what happened? I turned out completely fine while he lives on the street as a drug dealer. Your lack of experience shows in this topic since you seem to think you know how this stuff works.

It's called stress diathesis, part of the biopsychosocial model, but it doesn't negate my point. In fact I have an easy child and difficult child. But I'm avoiding anecdotal discussion here because it's a big source of bias.

Xurtio · 11-01-2016, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

When they're old enough to tell the difference. They have to understand that first.

If a child is abused that is one thing. Firm slaps to the bottom are another thing. You can't rope them into the same category. All of my family has been spanked by our parents at one point or another and none of us developed PTSD from it. Sorry I meant anxiety disorders. Anxiety Disorders are also dependent upon the person. They develop in different ways in different people. To blame it on one thing is ludicrous.

The same strawman again. I am not saying anxiety orders are caused by one thing, I'm pointing out a single factor that contributes in the population.

DwnWthVwls · 11-01-2016, 12:20 AM

These studies shows that a light spanking from time to time causes this? Or consistent physical punishment as a form of discipline?

I find it hard to believe in a case like Chulas, where he hit them a handful of times ever.

Blank. · 11-01-2016, 12:21 AM

Here's the reality about kids... They're all different. All parents are different. And to say it will help cause anxiety disorders is just plain dumb because not all kids will respond to it the same way mentally.

Here's a harsh reality... we have a single father with two kids who is an alcoholic. He comes home everyday drunk and tells his kids they are worthless. And he tells this to them incessantly while yelling.

His first kid grows up and becomes a homeless man who has Nightmares about this every night and is constantly telling himself that his father was right.

His second kid becomes a fairly successful businessman. His second kid is motivated by proving his father wrong.

Why would this happen? Well both kids aren't the same. They won't respond to it the same.

DwnWthVwls · 11-01-2016, 12:22 AM

That's a bad argument dude.. That's like saying because all people don't get lung cancer from smoking that smoking can't cause lung cancer.

Xurtio · 11-01-2016, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

These studies shows that a light spanking from time to time causes this? Or consistent physical punishment as a form of discipline?

I find it hard to believe in a case like Chulas, where he hit them a handful of times ever.

"Light" is subjective, but if its not causing pain is it a punishment?

Spanked children more likely to develop anxiety disorders and/or drug abuse -

Blank. · 11-01-2016, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

That's a bad argument dude.. That's like saying because all people don't get lung cancer from smoking that smoking can't cause lung cancer.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying everyone responds to things differently. If one kid sees being spanked as a trauma and causes them to a anxiety disorder doesn't mean it will for another kid.

Xurtio · 11-01-2016, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

Here's the reality about kids... They're all different. All parents are different. And to say it will help cause anxiety disorders is just plain dumb because not all kids will respond to it the same way mentally.

Here's a harsh reality... we have a single father with two kids who is an alcoholic. He comes home everyday drunk and tells his kids they are worthless. And he tells this to them incessantly while yelling.

His first kid grows up and becomes a homeless man who has Nightmares about this every night and is constantly telling himself that his father was right.

His second kid becomes a fairly successful businessman. His second kid is motivated by proving his father wrong.

Why would this happen? Well both kids aren't the same. They won't respond to it the same.

It's a single anecdote. To see trends, you need statistics. I will also point out that your measure of well being should not be succes alone.

Xurtio · 11-01-2016, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by 1blankmind

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying everyone responds to things differently. If one kid sees being spanked as a trauma and causes them to a anxiety disorder doesn't mean it will for another kid.

Right... but if we see a trend then we know for some kids it increases the chance of them developing a disorder. The kids will likely already have a "neurotic" personality type according to the big 5 personality assement, but that is not a disorder, that's just a personality trait. To evolve into a disorder it helps to have an unstable, unsafe environment (and getting spanked would contribute to that, among other factors).

Blank. · 11-01-2016, 12:31 AM

The point still stands that they are not the same, therefore will not respond to it the same. And what was the criteria for the adults in the study?

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Blank. Jacob Sartorius Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dank memes Posts: 4,033	Here's the reality about kids... They're all different. All parents are different. And to say it will help cause anxiety disorders is just plain dumb because not all kids will respond to it the same way mentally. Here's a harsh reality... we have a single father with two kids who is an alcoholic. He comes home everyday drunk and tells his kids they are worthless. And he tells this to them incessantly while yelling. His first kid grows up and becomes a homeless man who has Nightmares about this every night and is constantly telling himself that his father was right. His second kid becomes a fairly successful businessman. His second kid is motivated by proving his father wrong. Why would this happen? Well both kids aren't the same. They won't respond to it the same.

11-01-2016, 12:31 AM	#640 (permalink)
Blank. Jacob Sartorius Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dank memes Posts: 4,033	The point still stands that they are not the same, therefore will not respond to it the same. And what was the criteria for the adults in the study?