crash_override

No need to ignore anything I say, I just feel physical punishment is a efficent form of discipline. I know it sure as hell worked on me as a kid. Nothing changes a persons attitude faster than a physical threat. It's a fact, even as adult's there are certain things you won't do/say if you know physical harm could come of it. If you take this away, we are left with a world full of people who prance about doing and saying whatever they like and breaking all the rules.

Also, physical punishment is just as effective and does much less physcological damage than emotional punishment (confinement, verbal abuse, etc.) Not only has being beat down by my grandfather when I do something stupid made me a better person and taught me my lesson. He also saved me alot of money on therapy because he didn't lock me in a room, or tell me I was worthless. So I welcome physical discipline on children, yes, but just because you don't doesn't make me right or you wrong. It just proves we are different.

Hope this gives you a better understanding of where I am coming from.

Janszoon

lol

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Urban Hat€monger ?

The only time I was ever smacked by my parents as a kid was when I put myself in danger. Like messing around next to a main road or playing with matches & fire.

I think that's perfectly a perfectly understandable way of smacking because I knew if that's what they did to me then they must have really good reason to do it , as opposed to just a normal telling off.

I'd be much less likely to do something i'd been smacked for than what I would have had I been shouted at. And should I have kids that's how they'll get raised.

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Janszoon

It's interesting to me that you seem to think the alternative to physical punishment is emotional abuse.

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lucifer_sam

It's all about different parenting styles.

When I was a kid my family went around the house shouting all the time. I can't remember a single time when my family was quiet & at peace. So when it came time to deliver punishment my family weren't among the group of progressive families that practiced tolerance and acceptance , they just took a hand to my backside.

Thing is you learn real quick when yer being a twerp if your parents are willing to hit you. So when my parents decided to phase out their corporal punishment for my little sister she was able to freely act like she wanted. And every time I go home I catch her being disrespectful toward my mother, and they don't retaliate at all.

My father actually made a plywood paddle for me, I'm sure if I dug through my basement I could find it.

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Alfred

I was spanked as a young child, and I think it helped establish some respect and good behaviour in me at an early age. My parents stopped that when I was about 7 or 8 and moved on to more relevent punishments for bad behaviour.

I don't really see how it would qualify as child abuse. A swat on the bum is painful for a minute or two, it's not like it's physical damage that will scar you for life.

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lucifer_sam

Seriously. The only time that physical discipline crosses the line is when parents become abusive and use their children as a way to vent their rage. Mine never did that, they only got pissed enough to hit me when I really did something bad.

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Alfred

Yeah, that.

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Well regardless of the degree, most alternatives are some form of emotional punishment. i.e. telling someone they are stupid for doing that, or that they aren't allowed to see anyone or leave the house for two weeks. These are emotionally damaging things that I believe could carry into a persons adult life and have a negative impact on them in more ways than any physical punishment.

Now don't take me wrong here, im not saying I advocate any sort or abuse or battery on a child. But a good spanking or smack to the cheek seems acceptable to me.

Posted by Lucifer Sam:
Seriously. The only time that physical discipline crosses the line is when parents become abusive and use their children as a way to vent their rage. Mine never did that, they only got pissed enough to hit me when I really did something bad.

Yes I completely agree. So long as they are doing in a acceptable manner and attempting to yield positive results.

Freebase Dali

The lesson being learned is not a result of conflict between two peers who don't see eye to eye.
The lesson being learned is that there are consequences for negative actions. Kids who never learned that are the ones who're growing up to be violent and unruly.

I do agree that physical punishment is a last option, and I also believe that it should be proportional to the infraction, and NEVER done out of anger.

For example, I wouldn't spank a kid who intentionally broke his brother/sister's toy. I would take one of his toys away and explain why I did it.
If, however, the behavior continued regardless, then I would take things further... the last option being physical punishment.

The whole idea is that a child needs to know there are consequences. Some kids just get sent to their room for an hour. Meanwhile, they're playing a PSP and not feeling "punished" at all.
What kind of message is that sending to a child?
They're learning that they can do something wrong and the worst that will come of it is they'll be bored for a short period of time.

Spanking isn't violence when you don't do it out of anger.
You tell the child why he's getting spanked and after you do it, you tell the child you love him/her and help them understand that you don't like hurting him/her.
I know it works because that's how I was brought up.

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