Classof75

Exactly what it says. Look up "regard" in the dictionary. Maybe you mistake that for "respect". Some people get that confused. People should not be prodded, with animals it's a little hard to discuss with them where you would like them to go. Know what I mean?

Oh, it is'nt "****ing" sense I am making. Although it would feel better I'm sure. (Jeez, posts like the above remind me I'm on a tweeny forum.)

Guybrush

I'm pretty sure Crash's post was meant to be ironic. Posts merged by the way!

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Arya Stark

I know what regard means.

It's more the next part that didn't make sense. WHAT isn't good in your opinion?

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Guybrush

I guess he means it's not a good idea to have the same regard for animals as for people and by animals, I'm assuming he means other members of the kingdom animalia which are not of our own specie.

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Classof75

Animals are what they are, some people believe they have "feelings" etc. like human beings do. If you need to move animals, you have to herd them, and maybe push them around (this is what I meant in my oriiginal post when I said physical discipline was "for animals", I was'nt talking about abusing them). My point really is that consideration for a child's ability to rationalise should be foremost in dealing with them when it comes to behavioural issues. Animal behaviour is different, and their ability to "rationalise" is marginal, so you have to be physical with them to make them do things. Cowboys don't ask a cow to move across a stream, they herd them. That is physical discipline, and (imo) that is o.k. for animals. Hope I have made myself clear.

Astronomer

I don't want to get into it too much because I know I'm going to go off-topic and open a whole new can of worms, but animals do have feelings. Animals like dogs for example are perfectly capable of showing emotions of love, fear, loyalty, shame, excitement, etc. I don't even think physical discipline on animals like dogs is necessary. When my dog does something wrong, I tell him off in a stern voice and he puts his tail between his legs and skulks off and hides because he is ashamed of himself. He doesn't need physical discipline to teach him what he isn't allowed to do.

Plus, herding cows and sheep isn't discipline. It's using physical contact to move them to one place to another. This isn't discipline; you are not aiming to teach the cows and sheep a lesson.

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This is the point I was trying to make.
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likuidcoka

I still give a good ol fashion ass whoopin if my kids get sassy with me.

Guybrush

Doesn't sassy mean .. kinda flirty and saucy?

Perhaps there are some times when violence is justified after all

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So when you train a dog on a leash, you know how to make them heel without pulling on it? Just using a "stern voice"? I understand what you were saying in your post, but "discipline" (the kind I was explaining) does not mean punishment. Animals get physical with each other to communicate, so I have no problem prodding them if they are somewhere they should not be. My dad taught their cat not to jump up on their dining room table. Only took one lesson (a good swipe).

Nice that someone else can do this for you, huh.

Never have had to resort to that with my kid. She is very intelligent and well behaved. She will be a sophomore in high school this year.