Classof75

Maybe you will see it from their side some day if you have a child of your own. I understand my parents better, now that I have a 14 year old. There is a reason your parents "keep saying the same things". It is because you don't show you are listening and understand what they are telling you. If you take care of things (that they are bugging you about), then there is no issue. My daughter gets an allowance for doing her chores (which are clearly defined) WITHOUT BEING ASKED to do them. It is her responsibilty to make sure they get done. If we see things are not being taken care of - NO ALLOWANCE. She has to learn "how things are supposed to be done" before she finds out the hard way (getting fired from a job she needs someday). Sometimes you have to look at life like a buisness, a great part of real life is like that.

Arya Stark

I understand all of that.

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It's true. My mom used to talk to me for hours and hours when I did something wrong, and I would beg her to just beat the sh*t out of me and leave my room so I could go to sleep. Seriously...

But regarding the subject at hand, I kind of think it would be hard to say "it's always wrong" or "it's always right". Different things work with different children, and I think the key is being perceptive enough as a parent to know when spanking is necessary and when something else might work better. Of course, I don't have children, so I could be talkin' out of my ass. I was spanked, but damn I was a hell child and sorta think I deserved it. And I don't feel any worse for it. I don't have violent tendencies and believe I'm semi well adjusted. On the other hand, my brother never got spanked...not because he never did anything wrong, but because simply talking to him about it usually worked. Different strokes I guess.

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"Spare the rod and spoil the child" I read that in this book I saw one day...called the BIBLE :|

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crash_override

Who beats their kids with a rod? I mean, seriously.

But in truth I agree 100%, I believe that traditional forms of physical discipline are both necessary and acceptable in todays society. The problem with it is, where do you draw the line? Some parents just don't know their limits and take it too far. Some parents are afraid of even touching their children because of the negative publicity that physical discipline has gotten in recent years. In all, it's a very fine line. But, if utilized correctly, physical discipline and good parenting can be one-in-the-same.

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Son of JayJamJah

The traditional forms of physical discipline are being beaten with belts, rulers and sticks, I strongly disagree and think there is more then enough evidence gathered to suggest that it's very much possible to raise a child to be a contributing member of society without any physical discipline to come to the conclusion that there is never a good reason to spank, paddle or strike a child.

Is it always physical abuse, of course not, but it's never necessary.

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So you're saying that you could put 2 children in a room. One who gets spanked when he does wrong and one who is normally given a 5 minute time out. Put an XBox with all the games in the room and tell them that if they touch it they will receive their respective punishment. You really think the kid thats going to be spanked in front of those people will touch that thing before the kid who has to sit in the corner for 5 minutes?

Of course not. The little time-out brat is going to play the XBox, then sit in the corner giggling about it during his 5 minute hiatus. Thats not going to change when he becomes an adult, what's there to fear? A fine? House arrest? no big deal. It's just like the time outs when he was a kid. Just giggle it off and keep breaking the rules.

Belts Rulers and Swithces? It's not lke you're talking about a tire iron here. Those items aren't going to break any bones. I honestly don't see anythin wrong with it, and I hate to think what I would be like today had I not had a little sense SPANKED into my ass as a child. There is noone I respect more than the mother who smacked me in my face on easter sunday in 1994 when I yelled at her a was dis-respectful, my family has it on tape and it disgusts me to think that I once acted like that. That was a turning point in my life, I wouldn't want to have it any other way. The last thing I would want is to be one of those mouthy little brats stuck inside an adult body, which we see all too often these days.

Point is, you can always tell the difference between kids who are physically disciplined, and the kids who are given your poor excuse for a punishment. I was physically disciplined as a child and it scared the **** out of me. But I was NEVER, I repeat NEVER physically ABUSED, there is a difference. A very clear one.

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Son of JayJamJah

I'd take the X-box away thus avioding the temptation and the need to hit a child.

A never suggested a timeout either, as for transition to adulthood, 98% of incarsarated inmates here in Michigan witnessed or were victims of physical abuse and\or discipline as children. Again, I'll take away the X-box teach the child the difference between a right and privilege and not hit them.

You'll make an excellent parent.

I firmly believe the same thing could have been accomplished without hitting you, I'd be embarrassed if my wife had done that to one of our children.

1. No you can't unless you mean
2. Kids who are physically disciplined are 12 times as likely to fight in school (CED Report 2008)

I made that distinction in my last post and several times earlier in the thread when I noted I was physically disciplined throughout my childhood as well.

It's wrong, plain and simple, abuse or not, it's not essential and should not be an option for a rational parent.

Would you let another adult strike your child?

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Terrible Lizard

My Dad beat my ass a couple of times when I was a sprout. And look how well I turned out!

But seriously it's up to the parent, and that isn't going to change in any reasonable world. There is no perfect way to raise a little bum****, so you adapt in accordance with the squirt's behavior.

Simple as that.

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Son of JayJamJah

This is out of control:

Crash I'm not going to discuss this with you anymore, you are incredibly ignorant, almost everyone of your points is way or base or hypocritical, you should apologize to Lat for your comments on teachers, as a former teacher myself I can't believe how far off you are on what and why most of them teach.

Here's all I'll say to show you just how absurd your claims are: If teachers can be trusted to discipline children in schools where their job is on the stake, how come they can discipline their own children at home?

I recommend saving everything you've written in this conversation and reevaluating it in 5-10 years when you grow up and if you don't see how ridiculous what your saying is then, kill yourself.

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