Physical discipline against children .. okay or not?

Freebase Dali · 05-28-2009, 03:34 PM

Spank that kid's butt.

I wonder how many people in here have made comments in the Christianity thread to the effect of "the bible is a moral and wise teaching tool" and failed to remember the verse "Spare the rod, spoil the child."

Anyway, I think there's a big difference between physical discipline motivated by anger versus it being motivated by a good-hearted desire for your child to learn consequences.

An example of this is your rugrat is screaming and yelling, breaking stuff, smoking crack, etc... and instead of just yelling and hitting out of anger and leaving it at that; actually sitting your child down after a spanking and explaining the reasoning behind it.

I'm a product of that type of upbringing, and I understand it.
The worst behavior I have now is making crap posts on MB.

Son of JayJamJah · 05-29-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

I found a very interesting article describing the consequences of the ban in Sweden.

Read the whole thing here if you want -> link to article.

Other than that, this article from a study done in New Zealand confirms that severe corporal punishment increases risk for juvenile offenses, substance abuse, mental health problems, suicide etc. However, since it deals with harsh punishment, probably harsher than the average, it's not that surprising and maybe not completely relevant. However, a ban on corporal punishment could help these victims too, so it is somewhat relevant even if they are a minority.

This article describes a link between physical punishment events in childhood and marital violence and aggression later in life. It suggests that elimination of corporal punishment can reduce some of the psychological and social processes that increase likelyhood of violence against spouses and possibly other forms of violence.

I firmly believe this is the enlightened and evolved point of view.

I was beaten old school style (fetch the stick you'll be hit with style) and it had little adverse effect on me, I despised my father for it but have come to respect his meaning. He never struck my face, never bloodied me and I did not fear him but had a healthy respect for him. However I did not want my kids to have to qualify their relationship with their father by saying "he never bloodied me" so I chose not to strike, spank water board or otherwise physically discipline my kids. They ended up much more well adjusted then me, obviously.

Son of JayJamJah · 05-29-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Whatsitoosit

I say smack the ass... not the face, if you must smack.

What if you can't differentiate?

Son of JayJamJah · 05-29-2009, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Personally I would go the George Bush route and waterboard them; it's not torture!

As someone who has experienced it, no it's not. It sucks and is scary as hell but you end up okay on the end.

This reminds me of another thread.

gunnels · 05-29-2009, 04:00 PM

My parents never laid a finger on me, and I never get into any mischief.
So I say no.

sleepy jack · 05-29-2009, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JayJamJah

As someone who has experienced it, no it's not. It sucks and is scary as hell but you end up okay on the end.

This reminds me of another thread.

I think watering someone nearly three hundred times would have some adverse effects.

Jesse Ventura disagrees with you though.

I think raising the history of it is particularly important.

Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime - washingtonpost.com

Here's a good article on it. I think America's fetish for psychological trauma on almost every aspect is indicative of the kind of torture they prefer. It isn't ethical.

Son of JayJamJah · 05-29-2009, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

I think watering someone nearly three hundred times would have some adverse effects.

You've made your mind up, decenting opinion be damned, here's my analysis.

You think (and you may be right but I disagree and challenge your assertion as anything by a far outlier)

I know. I've been there.

sleepy jack · 05-29-2009, 05:31 PM

Well it's not exactly like you can go out and find Cheney's Waterboarding Shack so in the absence of experience I draw from others experiences, analysis and our previous stance on waterboarding. That isn't that absurd of a thing to do. Everyone does it including yourself and I don't think you'd question certain beliefs you'd hold in the same way you're dismissing mine off despite its factual backing.

Son of JayJamJah · 05-29-2009, 05:38 PM

That's even less relevant then it is sensible and coherent .

People can spin things a million ways, all opinions are subjective.

My conclusion is based on experience your is based on second hand information relaying one side of the issue. I'm debating which is more substantial, I'm just quite sure which way I'd prefer to take my stance.

Also this is a thread about Corporal Punishment on topic please.

right-track · 05-29-2009, 06:32 PM

I didn't know what waterboarding was until this thread. I'm not familiar with the term.
I googled it.

At the risk of being off-topic...and we can take this to the Corporal Punishment thread if you'd prefer, but I'm intrigued to know how half drowning another human being against his free will is ok...I'm aware that it doesn't leave any physical marks...but how does that make it ok?

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05-28-2009, 03:34 PM	#241 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	Spank that kid's butt. I wonder how many people in here have made comments in the Christianity thread to the effect of "the bible is a moral and wise teaching tool" and failed to remember the verse "Spare the rod, spoil the child." Anyway, I think there's a big difference between physical discipline motivated by anger versus it being motivated by a good-hearted desire for your child to learn consequences. An example of this is your rugrat is screaming and yelling, breaking stuff, smoking crack, etc... and instead of just yelling and hitting out of anger and leaving it at that; actually sitting your child down after a spanking and explaining the reasoning behind it. I'm a product of that type of upbringing, and I understand it. The worst behavior I have now is making crap posts on MB. __________________

05-29-2009, 06:32 PM	#250 (permalink)
right-track Atchin' Akai Join Date: May 2005 Location: Unamerica Posts: 8,723	I didn't know what waterboarding was until this thread. I'm not familiar with the term. I googled it. At the risk of being off-topic...and we can take this to the Corporal Punishment thread if you'd prefer, but I'm intrigued to know how half drowning another human being against his free will is ok...I'm aware that it doesn't leave any physical marks...but how does that make it ok?