75 Year Old Saudi Woman Sentenced To Lashes... (quote, Ching)

ProggyMan · 03-09-2009, 09:15 PM

...For mingling with two younger men not related to her...
Saudi court sentences 75-year-old woman to lashes

sleepy jack · 03-09-2009, 09:18 PM

This is how the Middle East is and how they treat women. It's nothing particularly unique or shocking; we're allies with Saudi Arabia.

ProggyMan · 03-09-2009, 09:19 PM

That's my point.

dac · 03-09-2009, 10:23 PM

This is what happens when people follow religion.

ProggyMan · 03-09-2009, 10:40 PM

That's pretty unfair. Sure, religion is responsible for more bloodshed than any other institution ever, but that's just scratching the surface of things. Ultimately humans are naturally competitive which all but inevitably leads to violence at some point. If it wasn't religion it would be something else is the point I'm trying to make.

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 03-11-2009, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dac

This is what happens when people follow religion.

Ugh, can we stop with the religion BS? I mean seriously that is the most tired catch-all for the world's problems. The ancient texts most mainstream religions are based on bear almost no resemblence to how they are practiced today. It's just ancient attitudes preserved under the guise (sorry for the grammer) of religious customs.

Take for example Christmas and Easter. Two "Christian" holidays that have absolutely no significance in the Bible. No where is the Christ's birth date mentioned, nor are the followers of Christ told to celebrate the ressurrection. It's just ancient celebrations made new.

Likewise, much of the attitudes we see in the middle east are not encouraged in the Qur'an.

sleepy jack · 03-11-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonace

Ugh, can we stop with the religion BS? I mean seriously that is the most tired catch-all for the world's problems. The ancient texts most mainstream religions are based on bear almost no resemblence to how they are practiced today. It's just ancient attitudes preserved under the guise (sorry for the grammer) of religious customs.

Take for example Christmas and Easter. Two "Christian" holidays that have absolutely no significance in the Bible. No where is the Christ's birth date mentioned, nor are the followers of Christ told to celebrate the ressurrection. It's just ancient celebrations made new.

Likewise, much of the attitudes we see in the middle east are not encouraged in the Qur'an.

Have you even read the Qu'ran? Or just...read something on the sexism in it? It teaches that woman are inferior, should subvert themselves to the will of man, deserve to be beaten for being "lewd," etc. I would agree though, sexist attitudes aren't encourage in the Qu'ran; they're openly stated.

"Men have a status above women." - 2:228

"As for those women whom you fear disobedience, admonish them, forsake them in bed, and beat them." - 4:34

"O ye who believe! Draw not near unto prayer when ye are drunken, till ye know that which ye utter, nor when ye are polluted, save when journeying upon the road, till ye have bathed. And if ye be ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have touched women, and ye find not water, then go to high clean soil and rub your faces and your hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving". - 4:43

"Mothers shall suck their children for two whole years if the father wishes the sucking to be complete."- 2:233

"Lo! it is those who disbelieve in the Hereafter who name the angels with the names of females." - 53:27

"As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify then confine them to the houses until death take them" - 4:15

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment." - 24:31

"Women are your fields: go, then into your fields whence you please." - 2:223

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 03-12-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Have you even read the Qu'ran?

I must apologize. Coming from a Christian that sounded pretty ignorant. I hold by the Bible thing though (as I have read it and studied not only the poetic aspects but also the chronology and the laws). I've just read some pretty ignorant posts about the bible, guess replying with an equally ignorant statement doesn't help.

7gaugejames · 03-12-2009, 01:18 PM

"Lets just be nice to eachother and help eachother out." It's a nice sentiment,

but wholly un-reallistic.
I've seen men who don't care. I've seen what they're capable of. I know people who have anger inside them only. Fact is they're not the people on line posting every day, people who can control themselves, and act within a set of rules, are. My point was, Authority.

There is always authority, unless you are in charge, absolute power. We know what that brings. It all boils down to authority and how you want to deal with it. God, Christ, and even the ( best Ricky Bobby voice)sweet dear little blessed

Baby Jesus help me out with it. It's my way. I wont deny it.

barbarella · 03-13-2009, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Have you even read the Qu'ran? Or just...read something on the sexism in it? It teaches that woman are inferior, should subvert themselves to the will of man, deserve to be beaten for being "lewd," etc. I would agree though, sexist attitudes aren't encourage in the Qu'ran; they're openly stated.

"Men have a status above women." - 2:228

"As for those women whom you fear disobedience, admonish them, forsake them in bed, and beat them." - 4:34

"O ye who believe! Draw not near unto prayer when ye are drunken, till ye know that which ye utter, nor when ye are polluted, save when journeying upon the road, till ye have bathed. And if ye be ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have touched women, and ye find not water, then go to high clean soil and rub your faces and your hands. Lo! Allah is Benign, Forgiving". - 4:43

"Mothers shall suck their children for two whole years if the father wishes the sucking to be complete."- 2:233

"Lo! it is those who disbelieve in the Hereafter who name the angels with the names of females." - 53:27

"As for those of your women who are guilty of lewdness, call to witness four of you against them. And if they testify then confine them to the houses until death take them" - 4:15

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment." - 24:31

"Women are your fields: go, then into your fields whence you please." - 2:223

I have a feeling that what Sleepy Jack is saying can be seen whenever I venture outside. There are so many women who, not too long ago would have been comfortable to be seen outdoors without almost completely covering their faces. However, it's almost as if these women, in trying to uphold their beliefs by covering their faces, are actually upholding their husbands' and fathers' beliefs instead and in doing so lose their identities altogether, becoming "invisible". A sort of subtle way for the males to be seen as having the more authority, by the manipulation of how the female is supposed to react.

03-09-2009, 09:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	75 Year Old Saudi Woman Sentenced To Lashes... ...For mingling with two younger men not related to her... Saudi court sentences 75-year-old woman to lashes

03-09-2009, 10:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
dac MB's Biggest Fanboy Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cloud Cuckoo Land Posts: 2,852	This is what happens when people follow religion. __________________

03-12-2009, 01:18 PM	#9 (permalink)
7gaugejames Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Imperial Beach Ca. Posts: 101	My point being; as follows, "Lets just be nice to eachother and help eachother out." It's a nice sentiment, but wholly un-reallistic. I've seen men who don't care. I've seen what they're capable of. I know people who have anger inside them only. Fact is they're not the people on line posting every day, people who can control themselves, and act within a set of rules, are. My point was, Authority. There is always authority, unless you are in charge, absolute power. We know what that brings. It all boils down to authority and how you want to deal with it. God, Christ, and even the ( best Ricky Bobby voice)sweet dear little blessed Baby Jesus help me out with it. It's my way. I wont deny it. __________________ I don't care who you are, Gunslinger, shmunslinger, everyone needs a good purse.

03-09-2009, 09:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	That's my point.

03-09-2009, 10:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
ProggyMan Reformed Jackass Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,964	That's pretty unfair. Sure, religion is responsible for more bloodshed than any other institution ever, but that's just scratching the surface of things. Ultimately humans are naturally competitive which all but inevitably leads to violence at some point. If it wasn't religion it would be something else is the point I'm trying to make.