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Inuzuka Skysword · 03-10-2009, 04:50 PM

"Religion is the primitive form of philosophy", Ayn Rand once said (though I am sure it has been used elsewhere.) Islamic totalitarianism, Christian totalitarianism, and a totalitarianism based on altruism (though not a religion) will all lead to the same destination, destruction. The Middle East probably the most terrifying examples of religion in government. To say that religion is not the cause would be false. However, to say all religions are responsible for what one religion does is bigotry.

The main problem is how people view government and the respect for life (not in a "pro-life" sense.) I see no difference between religious people trying to force their morals on me and the people who say that I must give my hard-earned money to other people based on another irrational morality. Actually there is one difference. The altruists at least don't believe in a morality that says, "It is right because God says so..."

sleepy jack · 03-11-2009, 12:56 AM

No, a cop out is saying "if religion never existed than the world would be no different." When you look at the history of the Middle East you'll see religion has done nothing to stabilize the region and is what is tearing it apart. Cruelty exists in that area because of religion; it has nothing to do with some desire in all humans to inflict pain on one another. Muslims extremists, suicide bombers, Islamofascism and the lashing of this woman all exist because of religion, not in spite of it. Religion has been the most intellectually dangerous thing of the past several centuries, to argue the world would be no different without at it is just stupid.

ProggyMan · 03-11-2009, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

No, a cop out is saying "if religion never existed than the world would be no different." When you look at the history of the Middle East you'll see religion has done nothing to stabilize the region and is what is tearing it apart. Cruelty exists in that area because of religion; it has nothing to do with some desire in all humans to inflict pain on one another. Muslims extremists, suicide bombers, Islamofascism and the lashing of this woman all exist because of religion, not in spite of it. Religion has been the most intellectually dangerous thing of the past several centuries, to argue the world would be no different without at it is just stupid.

Where did I say this? The world be certainly be different, but no better and no worse.

sleepy jack · 03-11-2009, 09:35 PM

It's still a cop out statement. It's nothing something you can prove, however the intellectual damage of Religion and the way it's torn apart the world, particularly the Middle East, is something with historical backing.

7gaugejames · 03-11-2009, 10:06 PM

O.K. we all have our own way of thinking, that is obvious. Let me pose a question, If all the major civilizations that ruled and sprung up and out of this sordid past of ours, I mean all of them. Mayans, Aztacas, Greeks, Egyptian, Roman, Mongolian, Anglo Saxon, why do all, all, alllll, based heavily in worship to one Diety or Many. My Question is, Why does every civilization currently running the world/empire think it's their God/s that's right. Why does each generation think it's theirs that will see the end of times? That's two questions, I'll see you in the A.m. Adios. Aloha to all.

Kamikazi Kat · 03-11-2009, 10:19 PM

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O.K. we all have our own way of thinking, that is obvious. Let me pose a question, If all the major civilizations that ruled and sprung up and out of this sordid past of ours, I mean all of them. Mayans, Aztacas, Greeks, Egyptian, Roman, Mongolian, Anglo Saxon, why do all, all, alllll, based heavily in worship to one Diety or Many. My Question is, Why does every civilization currently running the world/empire think it's their God/s that's right. Why does each generation think it's theirs that will see the end of times? That's two questions, I'll see you in the A.m. Adios. Aloha to all.

Because people are stupid?
Because its conforting to believe that you know you are right?

Somewhere in that ballpark.

ProggyMan · 03-11-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

It's still a cop out statement. It's nothing something you can prove, however the intellectual damage of Religion and the way it's torn apart the world, particularly the Middle East, is something with historical backing.

Okay, fair enough, there's no way to prove my statement.

lucifer_sam · 03-12-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

It's still a cop out statement. It's nothing something you can prove, however the intellectual damage of Religion and the way it's torn apart the world, particularly the Middle East, is something with historical backing.

"Intellectual damage"? The first universities were seminaries! The Church has been steeped in the education of people; the first professors, scientists, lawyers and doctors were all clergy. There is nothing inherently wrong with religion. Where religion fails is when people misinterpret the intention of authors of holy books.

Kamikazi Kat · 03-12-2009, 05:40 PM

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"Intellectual damage"? The first universities were seminaries! The Church has been steeped in the education of people; the first professors, scientists, lawyers and doctors were all clergy. There is nothing inherently wrong with religion. Where religion fails is when people misinterpret the intention of authors of holy books.

What would of stopped these advancements in education if religion didn't exist? Sure, the first universities may have been seminaries, but that doesn't mean the idea of educating the people should be attributed to religion.

Religion fails with the continuation of old, out-dated values and rules and with the lack of these old and out-dated values not being openly questioned by the religious community. The idea of believing in a god, that you must be a good person to go to heaven, that general concept, isn't bad. The problem with religion is it isn't just about "I'm going to try and be a good person so I can get into heaven" it turns into this "The church says I have to do this/be like this/act like this/think like this so I can get into the heaven." For the most part, religion isn't something on a personal level, it is on a highly organized level that leads to dangerous things.

sleepy jack · 03-11-2009, 10:06 PM

The Qu'ran and the Bible both teach that woman are inferior and should subvert their own will to that of their husband, who is superior and closer to God or Allah then they could ever be. There is no way to seperate sexism from those Religious texts; unless you're a modern Christian church in which case you simply skim over those passages and interpret (or rather, misinterpret because there's no way to confuse these passages. They're very clear) them as saying "wives, honor and love your husbands."

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Inuzuka Skysword Existential Egoist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,468	"Religion is the primitive form of philosophy", Ayn Rand once said (though I am sure it has been used elsewhere.) Islamic totalitarianism, Christian totalitarianism, and a totalitarianism based on altruism (though not a religion) will all lead to the same destination, destruction. The Middle East probably the most terrifying examples of religion in government. To say that religion is not the cause would be false. However, to say all religions are responsible for what one religion does is bigotry. The main problem is how people view government and the respect for life (not in a "pro-life" sense.) I see no difference between religious people trying to force their morals on me and the people who say that I must give my hard-earned money to other people based on another irrational morality. Actually there is one difference. The altruists at least don't believe in a morality that says, "It is right because God says so..."