75 Year Old Saudi Woman Sentenced To Lashes... (Religious, quote)

ProggyMan · 04-03-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by henry

Of course religion is the problem. Religion founded the sets of beliefs and attitudes that you yourself live by every day. Sure you might not be religious but thats besides the point - religion was everything back in the day.

You cannot blame them for giving the woman 40 lashes, scenarios like this have to be examined delicately because we have to be understand of their religion. I myself think it is bull**** and that the Middle East need to stop living in the past and start to treat people more fairly, but that is how their society is and how it was shaped from their beliefs. They probably think we live in a funny society as well - where teenage gang members kill other teenagers and get away with it - where girls as young as 12 get pregnant - or how drugs are rampant everywhere.

A lot of factors go into these types of situations - you cannot just say that they are violent people and all they want to do is cause harm to people. You need to view the big picture - but more important you have to respect their culture and religion and the norms that they live by.

What I'm saying is it's human nature to do cruel things, I'm not criticizing anyone's culture.

sleepy jack · 04-03-2009, 11:30 PM

Events like this don't happen because of the nature of mankind they occur because a holy book says woman are inferior beings who shouldn't do these sorts of things lest they be beaten.

ProggyMan · 04-03-2009, 11:32 PM

Let's not do this over again...

sleepy jack · 04-03-2009, 11:34 PM

Well it's true. Arguing that human nature is what caused this to happen is foolish when the teachings of the Qu'ran are solely to blame for how woman are treated in the Muslim world. It's not the nature of men to be misogynistic and abusive pigs.

Yukon Cornelius · 04-04-2009, 12:00 AM

Let me agree with Sleepy by saying I think that there is more of a purpose behind our existence and nature than that...

Look, yes this is there culture/religion and they do follow it, but you cant say they want to.. That book the Qu'ran is evil
This is one case that the term brainwashing could be used, there religion/culture keeps women out of power...

"Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom you fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High Exalted, Great."
- Qur’an 4:34
The Garden of Hell: Islam Causes Violence Towards Women

Though man is dominate his role is not to suppress women. Male dominance has more of a male against male role...

ProggyMan · 04-04-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Well it's true. Arguing that human nature is what caused this to happen is foolish when the teachings of the Qu'ran are solely to blame for how woman are treated in the Muslim world. It's not the nature of men to be misogynistic and abusive pigs.

I've explained my position already, go back and read my posts if you need a refresher.

Kamikazi Kat · 04-10-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Sonace

I am not answering questions of why... I am just putting some of these quotes into the correct context, i dont support or reject it.. I am just telling you what I learn, and that things translated to English (archaic english at that) from Aramaic, Greek and Judistic Hebrew often come across differently than the original meaning. I'm just a student who enjoys studying ancient texts.

But yeah, just let me dig through my notes as I believe my instructor adressed this topic directly.

The thing is, its not neccesarily a case on how you interpret it, its how others will interpret these passages from the bible. No matter what conclusion you draw, there will thousands upon thousands of others that draw something sexist from it.

davidMC1982 · 04-13-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kamikazi Kat

The thing is, its not neccesarily a case on how you interpret it, its how others will interpret these passages from the bible. No matter what conclusion you draw, there will thousands upon thousands of others that draw something sexist from it.

The only reason people state that a religious book is open to interpretation is because they seek to sidestep an issue that does not sit well with their own more modern sense of morality. The meaning of the passages quoted is quite clear and is evidenced by the way society kept women "in their place".

What use is a religious book, especially one containing the supposed word of god, if mankind is able to pick and choose the bits it likes, interpret as it sees fit those parts it is uncomfortable with, and disregard the rest? At least fundamentalists are consistent.

It is often stated by people of religion that religion is the basis of human morality. It is my opinion that human morality has evolved despite religion.

Dave

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