Bane of your existence

Same thing could be argued for "ideal" socialism, communism, and anarchism.
All forms of gov't can be made to look great on paper. For actual results of said form of gov't, look around. Eight years of an extremely conservative white house, with quite a few years going unchecked by a republican senate, and we basically managed to clusterfuk the world's economy.

I don't get how people can actually agree that republican ideals are the best fix for it all.

dac

Because those ideals are hardly practiced by the Republican party. This kid makes a point to establish a difference between the Republican Party and Conservatism, which is admirable.

@ Sleepy Jack, the kid isn't that far off of calling Obama one of the most left wing politicians; he's got the most liberal voting record of any relevant politician. I think you over-interpreted his statements. Personal Responsibility does not = a flat tax in my eyes. Now, in Limbaugh's yes, but I'm being rather hopeful with this kid.

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First let me say that not every thread has to get so serious,(sleepy jack, who i agree with most of the time!) I take it that (proggyman, who makes me laugh most of the time!) is young and is contributing to me wasting time every day, i believe if everyone kept their tongues firmly in cheek, we'd be better off(wayfarer, who makes me chortle most of the time.)and lets face it, my opinion is always right anyway. So it doesn't really matter so much.

And on this Young man, published author and public orator, I may not agree with what he says but I'll defend to the death his right to say it.

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sleepy jack

Those ideas are practiced by the Republican party. Bush let the economy go unregulated and cut "unnecessary" programs (like FEMA, cue poor response Hurricane Katrina.) Limiting government means Wall Street running wild and children go without health care because it's "socialist." We have had conservatives in the White House, the Conservative party is the dominant sect of the Republican party.

He doesn't have the the "most liberal voting record of any relevant politician." The same people that said he has the most liberal voting record in the Senate offered no criteria which they based it off (other than incredibly vague areas) and said the same thing about John Kerry when he became the Democratic nominee (he manged to drop about twenty places from being the most Liberal in a matter of a few years, odd.) Barack Obama isn't that far left compared to Berry Sanders, a socialist and then when you compare him to guys like Kucinich and Stark in the House, then that's just a joke. There's so many things wrong with that ranking and it was so obviously driven by partisanship it isn't even funny.

Barack Obama: The Most Liberal Senator? An Analysis
Is Obama the most liberal senator? - First Read - msnbc.com

Personal Responsibility is exactly what the Republican party and Conservative party argue with when they're talking about eliminating Welfare programs of any sort. Reagan used it as the basis for cutting government programs in the eighties and Bush did after him. They also DO think it means a flat tax in their mind, to them economic equality and "fairness" means a rich guy paying what a poor guy pays and the poor guy, if he's fiscally responsible should be able to deal with it. This kid is nothing but a partisan hack.