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Old 03-01-2009, 09:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Save Mr. Lou "Blame the Mexicans for everything" Dobbs, I'd say CNN are very much in the tank for Obama.

Though they have also done their fair share of right wing scaremongering with their countless "how the internet is corrupting your children" and "the terrorists may be hiding under your bed" reports.
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Old 03-01-2009, 09:52 PM   #12 (permalink)
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first of all, you can't tell what bias a website has because thats obviously affected by your bias.
I don't even feel like discussing why this comment is so useless. Of course I have my own bias, but I would agree that MSNBC is more left and Fox is more right just as you listed below. So is my bias somewhat near yours because I agree with you? No, we just both see the general bias that each news station has because it is so easy to spot.

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Fox is the right-leaning group.
CNN is in the middle of those two.
I would definitely say CNN is a little left of the middle, but I agree on the general idea.

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As for the "cynical democrat" comment, only a pro-survivalist would look at the current situation and say "no you know what, the rich man...he's doing alright by the little guy."
A lot of rich are corrupt right now. The intervention in the economy has corrupted them, (though I do believe in free choice.) My problem is that you think doing the same thing which corrupted them, not allowing them to reap all the benefits of their work, is the cure. I am not for business men who find ways to cheat and steal. However, they aren't even allowed to pursue happiness and achieve their highest potential anymore so I completely see why they would do such a thing.

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Where do you live? And do you meet people who don't have a ****ing pot to piss in? I work non-profit and as part of my job, i meet the worst this economy has coughed up on our doorsteps.
Awesome. I hope you have fun being a slave. I personally don't like it to much, so it would be pretty stupid of me to do it. It seems like you don't like it too much either since you are boasting about how many poor people you see at your job. Maybe you should quit...

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I just don't get this simplisitc "if you just live your life correctly, everything will be fine" mentality.
That is because you believe in materialism. You probably believe, along with the rest of the democrats, that the poor man can never become happy until he has X amount of dollars. I believe quite the contrary.
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Old 03-01-2009, 10:18 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Old 03-01-2009, 11:23 PM   #14 (permalink)
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A lot of rich are corrupt right now. The intervention in the economy has corrupted them
Urgh no. Money is what corrupts rich people. Open a history book. No economic system is inherently moral, perfect and right. The robber barons of the world didn't pop up once the government started regulating. In fact a Laissez-faire system is what birthed them. Businesses and corporations are not "rational" and the people aren't guided by some sense of "objective ethics." They're guided by whatever makes them the most money; which involves screwing the proletariat over.
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If i may, the foreign press look at us pretty hard i like the International Herald Tribune for staight forward stuff, hard to slant print,( that sounded naive) i mean music intros and code words to the "keep tuned in " press, i can read a hundred stories on line and guess what, they do get repeated, just by different journalists ? agency's,.. anyways (like i actually know anything) it's kinda like confirmation on the stories, Besides what the box is here to do is avert our attention from knowing what the real deal is and i'll tell ya'.....
it's not as bad as they want us to fear, it 's not a warzone out here, you don't have to tune in at 7 to find out what to fear next, just meet your neighbors, form relationships, trade in hope and serve someone every once in awhile, oh yeah... not everyone hates us, never believe that. the real work is done outside the media coverage and real change happens there. The left, the right and the middle wont come and help you or me look for our kids on a saturday night, and after the kid is born and until the kid can vote the child becomes the group to ignore and screw on a regular basis. If it weren't so no child would really get left behind. and that is where the real change must take place in the communities, where it's been understood for all time that it does take a village to raise a child( Hindu/Budist) and you cant preach in your own backyard( Christian) but the left , right and middle just want us scared and in our box watching our boxes scared to let our children onto the street, don't buy it. Fox news doesn't want you to know your neighbor, they want you to think it's a pedifile. Maybe if we spent more time outside we'd know when a home is being used illeagally in our own neighborhoods. what differance does a National news coverage really make, in most case it's just about the next "octomom", american tragedy and it's rarely any where near any one whom it may affect. It's just public opinion, at its worst. sorry that got very dark at the end, i think most of this is aimed at myself and was cathartic in nature, please don't be offended if you watch these shows, i do when i'm not in charge of the remote,i.e. bars, airports, friggen circle k now with the cnn on. ( hands in head) I'm such a hypocrite. I let myself get swayed so much i really find it hard to figure out my own stuff... i'm pissed, bitter, scared too. I've been conditioned on the media teat for as long as i can remember... and re-runs become our history. To be taken witha large grain of salt. whatever that means.
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use punctuation capitalization or some other form of separating your posts into structured sentences like someone who's not a toddler so that the rest of us here can actually spend the time trying to figure out what the hell youre saying instead of running headlong into a clusterfuck of words

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Urgh no. Money is what corrupts rich people. Open a history book. No economic system is inherently moral, perfect and right. The robber barons of the world didn't pop up once the government started regulating. In fact a Laissez-faire system is what birthed them. Businesses and corporations are not "rational" and the people aren't guided by some sense of "objective ethics." They're guided by whatever makes them the most money; which involves screwing the proletariat over.
I disagree. We have never had "Laissez-faire" in this country. During the times of the robber barons we had government "favoring" the rich. It was not fair at all and labor unions were banned and such. I am not asking for the government to favor the rich because that is intervention and that is what created these people. I want the government to not have an economic sector. I want their to be separation of the economy and the state for the same reason as the separation of the church and the state.
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I disagree. We have never had "Laissez-faire" in this country. During the times of the robber barons we had government "favoring" the rich. It was not fair at all and labor unions were banned and such. I am not asking for the government to favor the rich because that is intervention and that is what created these people. I want the government to not have an economic sector. I want their to be separation of the economy and the state for the same reason as the separation of the church and the state.
Oh Jesus Christ. How didn't we have one at one point? Because the government taxed? Anyway this notion that all this happened because the government favored the rich is absurd. A laissez-faire economic system favors the rich. It naturally creates a large underclass, monopolies and a nepotistic hierarchical society.
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Oh Jesus Christ. How didn't we have one at one point? Because the government taxed? Anyway this notion that all this happened because the government favored the rich is absurd. A laissez-faire economic system favors the rich. It naturally creates a large underclass, monopolies and a nepotistic hierarchical society.
The laissez-faire system can't favor anybody because no one is doing anything extra for anybody. Think about what "favoring" is for a second. One group of people does benefit under laissez-faire, but to say that the underclass is stuck in the underclass is just another Marxist myth. Monopolies are created by government intervention. You claim that capitalism is something that will halt productivity and such, yet all the areas in history where the economy was more capitalist lead to prosperous times. The Renaissance, Industrial Revolution, and the times of the Robber Barons/Captains of Industry. More innovation and such occurred during these times. The government intervention is what lead to people experiencing all the trouble. Labor unions were banned at one point in American history. Technically, the businessmen who proposed this were not wrong at all though because anti-trust laws were forced upon them.

Now let's look at the communities who exhibited socialist characteristics. You have all of those utopias, USSR, and all the other communist countries. To be fair, none of them did socialism quite right either, except for the utopias. What did all of this lead to? The utopias fell apart, the USSR collapsed, and the only real successful communist country, China, became a powerhouse when it opened up the market. However, the government control that was required to create the country it is today violates tons of other rights that the people have. The reason socialism doesn't work is because it creates an artificial price for work that doesn't actually exist and in turn people aren't able to benefit individually for their own work. What incentive can they possibly have? The only incentive is the altruist morality that we are all slaves to each other. Brainwashing is the only way socialism will ever work in a large country whether it be with religion or with altruism.

I certainly don't believe in any of that Social Darwinism stuff or anything like it, which is why I support capitalism. I don't believe material such as money, houses, or cars are going to bring me to happiness. Happiness is found in putting my best work and reaping the true achievement of that work, whether that be money, cars, or such. What the left says is that no one can be happy without a little bit of money so we have to let everyone start off at the same base. In turn, the businessmen in society have a weird situation because their product is raped from them. Happiness is such a drive though that they feel that coercing those who (they believe) coerce them, the middle/lower class, is going to allow them to achieve what they want. They are merely defending their very goal of existence by doing this and I do not criticize them for it. However, they are still trying to achieve something by not putting the true work into doing it though, so I do not approve of their means.
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if only you realized that your claim of the USSR serving as a perfect exemplification of the supposed inherent flaws in socialism is just as negligent as the claim that America once followed truly lassez-faire economic policies. srsly. if i wanted to hear partisan babbling i'd watch Crossfire.
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