Zodiac signs (house, Religious, effect, quote, Hang)

mr dave · 02-18-2009, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

because the placement of any degree of confidence in such glaring mendaciousness could very well retard human progress; moreover, profiting from such fraudulence could rather apprehensibly be viewed as exploitative/manipulative and thus immoral.

good enough for me. i'm still gonna read my horoscope in the paper when i need a half minute break from sudoku though.

ixtlan22 · 02-18-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer

because the placement of any degree of confidence in such glaring mendaciousness could very well retard human progress; moreover, profiting from such fraudulence could rather apprehensibly be viewed as exploitative/manipulative and thus immoral.

That's fair enough considering the state astrology is in today but complete closed mindedness to the study of our environment's affects on us will most certainly retard human progress.

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

If the people who are all into horoscopes didn't want this discussed then they should have stuck this in the lounge not here. I haven't seen a single logical reason for why distance celestial bodies determine human character. So forgive people if (having nothing to argue against since no one can answer that question) they sound condescending.

To repeat myself... distant celestial bodies are still part of our environment. We study our immediate environment down to things that are impossible to see with the naked eye. So why should we NOT study the affects (even if to prove that there are none, which I am just as open to) of a part of our environment that is visible with the naked eye?

Guybrush · 02-18-2009, 10:31 AM

Well, as far as I know, there's been no measured practical effect from these celestial bodies except for a pinpoint of light in the sky. There are more important things in earthly environments that any organism should rather adapt to coping with. Predation for example or possibility of dehydration. Challenges that deal with getting food or mating.

sleepy jack · 02-18-2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ixtlan22

To repeat myself... distant celestial bodies are still part of our environment. We study our immediate environment down to things that are impossible to see with the naked eye. So why should we NOT study the affects (even if to prove that there are none, which I am just as open to) of a part of our environment that is visible with the naked eye?

You're no longer talking about astrology though. Astrology, by definition, is looking at these celestial bodies and expecting them to determine events and personalities based on the month you were born in. There's no scientific evidence for a connection between the two.

ixtlan22 · 02-18-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

You're no longer talking about astrology though. Astrology, by definition, is looking at these celestial bodies and expecting them to determine events and personalities based on the month you were born in. There's no scientific evidence for a connection between the two.

I'm talking about the same thing we've all been talking about this whole time. I know there isn't very much scientific evidence (although there have been some scientific studies, see Carl Jung's book "Sychronicity" for one good one). I'm still talking about Astrology, I don't see how I've deviated. I'm not going to bother to repeat myself.

sleepy jack · 02-18-2009, 11:41 PM

Astrology is far less vague then that (which is why I said you're no longer talking about astrology.) Astrology specifically deals with celestial bodies influencing human matters (and there's no evidence for this.) When you go into does space influence terrestrial matters beyond just one species you're looking at a far broader subject (and the answer is obviously yes, meteorites, the sun, etc.)

ixtlan22 · 02-18-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Astrology is far less vague then that (which is why I said you're no longer talking about astrology.) Astrology specifically deals with celestial bodies influencing human matters (and there's no evidence for this.) When you go into does space influence terrestrial matters beyond just one species you're looking at a far broader subject (and the answer is obviously yes, meteorites, the sun, etc.)

I suppose then, that I am advocating the broadening of our idea of what Astrology is, as well as the body of research dedicated to it.

Guybrush · 02-19-2009, 02:45 AM

Sounds like you may be confusing astrology with astronomy.

Astronomy is the scientific study of celestial bodies, not astrology. Incorporating science into astrology would be somewhat a contradiction, part because it has so many beliefs integrated into it which are not results of scientific tests or thinking.

Driskoll Xun · 02-19-2009, 09:01 AM

What most people consider to be science is actually belief. Anytime one has to replace the word "is" with "I believe," it is philosophy that is being talked about. Go to a lecture on relativity and quantum physics, and you will hear the word "believe" a lot. Many of the philosophies that use what we consider to be astrology have beliefs that are conjectured from observation. Do not discount man's power to observe two thousand or ten thousand years ago. Where such beliefs get muddled with superstition lies the problem most westerners have with astrology. The east has been more effective at sticking to observation, such astrology really boarders on earth science. At it's heart, astrology is the study of the effect of gravity on psychology. Without knowing what gravity is however, one can still observe that, hmm, children born in such and such season, have uncanny resemblances to each other. Anything having to do with psychology is statistical; it never applies to everyone or to all circumstances. Only trends can be observed. Until both the brain and gravity are understood beyond our current piddling state of knowledge, the most prudent stance is to be at least agnostic to astrology.

~~coryallen2~~ · 02-19-2009, 09:02 AM

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Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Well, as far as I know, there's been no measured practical effect from these celestial bodies except for a pinpoint of light in the sky. There are more important things in earthly environments that any organism should rather adapt to coping with. Predation for example or possibility of dehydration. Challenges that deal with getting food or mating. __________________ Something Completely Different

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Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Sounds like you may be confusing astrology with astronomy. Astronomy is the scientific study of celestial bodies, not astrology. Incorporating science into astrology would be somewhat a contradiction, part because it has so many beliefs integrated into it which are not results of scientific tests or thinking. __________________ Something Completely Different

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Driskoll Xun Groupie Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1	What most people consider to be science is actually belief. Anytime one has to replace the word "is" with "I believe," it is philosophy that is being talked about. Go to a lecture on relativity and quantum physics, and you will hear the word "believe" a lot. Many of the philosophies that use what we consider to be astrology have beliefs that are conjectured from observation. Do not discount man's power to observe two thousand or ten thousand years ago. Where such beliefs get muddled with superstition lies the problem most westerners have with astrology. The east has been more effective at sticking to observation, such astrology really boarders on earth science. At it's heart, astrology is the study of the effect of gravity on psychology. Without knowing what gravity is however, one can still observe that, hmm, children born in such and such season, have uncanny resemblances to each other. Anything having to do with psychology is statistical; it never applies to everyone or to all circumstances. Only trends can be observed. Until both the brain and gravity are understood beyond our current piddling state of knowledge, the most prudent stance is to be at least agnostic to astrology. Last edited by Driskoll Xun; 02-19-2009 at 09:12 AM.

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sleepy jack isfckingdead Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18,967	Astrology is far less vague then that (which is why I said you're no longer talking about astrology.) Astrology specifically deals with celestial bodies influencing human matters (and there's no evidence for this.) When you go into does space influence terrestrial matters beyond just one species you're looking at a far broader subject (and the answer is obviously yes, meteorites, the sun, etc.)

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