2009 Or 1984? (alternative, country, house, Europe, American)

barbarella · 02-06-2009, 05:56 PM

OK I should have used the term- the words "Nanny State" are supposed to conjure up something safe and comforting. As For the comparison with "1984" have you by any chance seen the film "Brazil"? I think that is relevant too. I know that this has been escalating for years, but what disturbs me is how much is being done by stealth. Chips in passports, photos taken every time you enter or exit a supermarket car park. I guess there's loads more only I haven't found out about them yet.

anticipation · 02-06-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by barbarella

OK I should have not made this thread

agreed.

dac · 02-07-2009, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

I've just seen a recent influx in people making the comparisons on the news and the internet the past few months and I don't understand why.

Way to edit out the second sentence. I'll spell it out for everyone.

THE GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN LISTENING TO YOUR PHONE CALLS, READING YOUR INTERNET LOGS AND LETTERS, AND ARRESTING PEOPLE WITHOUT TRIAL ALL IN THE NAME OF THE WAR ON TERROR FOR YEARS NOW. THIS IS NOTHING NEW. PEOPLE NEED TO STOP MAKING STATEMENTS GOING "OMGS! DID YOU KNOW THEY CAN TRACK OUR CELLPHONES AND LISTEN TO OUR CALLS?" ITS NOT NEWS.

HUURRRRR DUUURRRRR I edited it out for a reason. That was the part of your statement i wished to address

I understand that this isn't something new, at no point did I say anything about those things being new news. All I said was that it bugs the **** out of me, and has for quite a while. Now quit being an asshole and realize we're on the same damn side Ethan.

sleepy jack · 02-07-2009, 12:33 PM

Sorry it just bugs me this thread was made like this is some revelation that will blow everyone's mind. Blair and Bush are both well out of office now and so is electrocuting prisoner's balls and spying on innocent civilians. 2009 is looking to be a government for the people (at least in America) as opposed to for the Cheney and Bush family.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 02-07-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Sorry it just bugs me this thread was made like this is some revelation that will blow everyone's mind. Blair and Bush are both well out of office now and so is electrocuting prisoner's balls and spying on innocent civilians. 2009 is looking to be a government for the people (at least in America) as opposed to for the Cheney.

It was more likely started because the UK goverment has announced that it's about to hugely increase the amount of CCTV coverage despite the UK having more CCTV cameras than any country in Europe. There is a reveiw of this going on in the house of lords on this subject as well as DNA databasing. Pick up any UK newspaper & this subject will be discussed in it.

I know this forum is American-centric but just because it isn't a problem in the US doesn't mean it's not worthy of a thread.

sleepy jack · 02-07-2009, 01:03 PM

See if that had actually been introduced it would've been nice but drawing the 1984 comparison leads me (and everyone else) to think it has to do with the government actually invading your personal privacy and installing these cameras all over your house or something (which is what they did in 1984.) Instead she goes on about them tracking your cellphone (not exactly something new...) and supermarkets photographing it's customer (this has been a practice going on for god knows how long unless you're a shoplifter you really have nothing to worry about.) Face identification isn't exactly evil Big Brother is Watching you either and freaking out over chips in passports? They hold the same information as the passport itself; it's nothing sinister.

barbarella · 02-07-2009, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

See if that had actually been introduced it would've been nice but drawing the 1984 comparison leads me (and everyone else) to think it has to do with the government actually invading your personal privacy and installing these cameras all over your house or something (which is what they did in 1984.) Instead she goes on about them tracking your cellphone (not exactly something new...) and supermarkets photographing it's customer (this has been a practice going on for god knows how long unless you're a shoplifter you really have nothing to worry about.) Face identification isn't exactly evil Big Brother is Watching you either and freaking out over chips in passports? They hold the same information as the passport itself; it's nothing sinister.

We recently had a Referendum in the Manchester area concerning The Manchester Congestion Charge; a Pay As You Drive scheme. One of the options included fitting a black box into every car and tracking it's progress by satellite.
Incidentally,the No Vote was unanimous across all 10 councils with 80% voting against the prposals.

Guybrush · 02-07-2009, 05:50 PM

I don't worry about surveillance. So what if I'm filmed 10 times when I walk down the street? I'm not a criminal. It's not important for me that it remains a secret that I went out for a walk. If they wanna have more surveillance to protect people like me, then I don't immediately see why that should make me paranoid.

In Norway, we don't seem to have the same mistrust as you guys overseas do against your government. Here, in a sense, we are the government. We are the people. You guys always say "them". It makes it sound like everyone's on their own over there and the government is the big, bad ****er out to screw you all. Is it really that bad?

dac · 02-07-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

I don't worry about surveillance. So what if I'm filmed 10 times when I walk down the street? I'm not a criminal. It's not important for me that it remains a secret that I went out for a walk. If they wanna have more surveillance to protect people like me, then I don't immediately see why that should make me paranoid.

In Norway, we don't seem to have the same mistrust as you guys overseas do against your government. Here, in a sense, we are the government. We are the people. You guys always say "them". It makes it sound like everyone's on their own over there and the government is the big, bad ****er out to screw you all. Is it really that bad?

Our gov't is run by lobbyists and people with god knows what agendas. I personally feel that we need major reform in Washington.

barbarella · 02-08-2009, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dac

Our gov't is run by lobbyists and people with god knows what agendas. I personally feel that we need major reform in Washington.

I agree with you. There has been a suggestion that absent parents who don't pay monies through the Child Support Agency towards the upkeep of their children should have their Passports confiscated, although this is technically illegal.

02-06-2009, 05:56 PM	#11 (permalink)
barbarella Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 154	OK I should have used the term- the words "Nanny State" are supposed to conjure up something safe and comforting. As For the comparison with "1984" have you by any chance seen the film "Brazil"? I think that is relevant too. I know that this has been escalating for years, but what disturbs me is how much is being done by stealth. Chips in passports, photos taken every time you enter or exit a supermarket car park. I guess there's loads more only I haven't found out about them yet. __________________ Below Zero.

02-07-2009, 05:50 PM	#18 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	I don't worry about surveillance. So what if I'm filmed 10 times when I walk down the street? I'm not a criminal. It's not important for me that it remains a secret that I went out for a walk. If they wanna have more surveillance to protect people like me, then I don't immediately see why that should make me paranoid. In Norway, we don't seem to have the same mistrust as you guys overseas do against your government. Here, in a sense, we are the government. We are the people. You guys always say "them". It makes it sound like everyone's on their own over there and the government is the big, bad ***er out to screw you all. Is it really that bad? __________________ Something Completely Different*

02-07-2009, 12:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
sleepy jack isfckingdead Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18,967	Sorry it just bugs me this thread was made like this is some revelation that will blow everyone's mind. Blair and Bush are both well out of office now and so is electrocuting prisoner's balls and spying on innocent civilians. 2009 is looking to be a government for the people (at least in America) as opposed to for the Cheney and Bush family.

02-07-2009, 01:03 PM	#16 (permalink)
sleepy jack isfckingdead Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18,967	See if that had actually been introduced it would've been nice but drawing the 1984 comparison leads me (and everyone else) to think it has to do with the government actually invading your personal privacy and installing these cameras all over your house or something (which is what they did in 1984.) Instead she goes on about them tracking your cellphone (not exactly something new...) and supermarkets photographing it's customer (this has been a practice going on for god knows how long unless you're a shoplifter you really have nothing to worry about.) Face identification isn't exactly evil Big Brother is Watching you either and freaking out over chips in passports? They hold the same information as the passport itself; it's nothing sinister.