2009 Or 1984?

dac · 02-08-2009, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by barbarella

I agree with you. There has been a suggestion that absent parents who don't pay monies through the Child Support Agency towards the upkeep of their children should have their Passports confiscated, although this is technically illegal.

I'm not sure what that has to do with the aforementioned stuff but it sounds like a bad idea lol. Anyways, most of my issues lye in the whole Party-Politics System we have right now. It's all black and white with these people, and the world is NOT black and white.

jackhammer · 02-09-2009, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

It was more likely started because the UK goverment has announced that it's about to hugely increase the amount of CCTV coverage despite the UK having more CCTV cameras than any country in Europe. There is a reveiw of this going on in the house of lords on this subject as well as DNA databasing. Pick up any UK newspaper & this subject will be discussed in it.

I know this forum is American-centric but just because it isn't a problem in the US doesn't mean it's not worthy of a thread.

Exactly. As urban has stated we have more CCTV than anywhere else in Europe yet it hasn't made a lot of difference. i live 10 minutes away from GCHQ which is the central communication centre for the whole of Britain and it's well known what they get up to.

If any keywords are mentioned in phone calls or texts, then they are immediatedly logged but otherwise your calls are not actually listened in on.

sleepy jack · 02-09-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dac

I'm not sure what that has to do with the aforementioned stuff but it sounds like a bad idea lol. Anyways, most of my issues lye in the whole Party-Politics System we have right now. It's all black and white with these people, and the world is NOT black and white.

You went from saying the problem with Washington was lobbyists to this...two entirely different issues. Washington isn't nearly as polarized as people seem to think it is. This is just something created by the media and guys like Rush Limbaugh to divide the country and distract them from the actual issue which IS corporate stranglehold on Washington. Politicians don't see the world as black and white they see it as green minus a select few; guys like Obama, Paul, Edwards, Kucinich, Gravel, etc who take firm positions on these sort of things.

dac · 02-10-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

You went from saying the problem with Washington was lobbyists to this...two entirely different issues. Washington isn't nearly as polarized as people seem to think it is. This is just something created by the media and guys like Rush Limbaugh to divide the country and distract them from the actual issue which IS corporate stranglehold on Washington. Politicians don't see the world as black and white they see it as green minus a select few; guys like Obama, Paul, Edwards, Kucinich, Gravel, etc who take firm positions on these sort of things.

I feel the two issues are very intertwined personally. To say that we aren't divided is just ridiculous. We are in what is essentially a two party system. Your either Republican or Democrat or your vote is worthless. These two parties rarely agree on anything, and half of the things they do stand for are only stood for because they have larger agendas encompassing them. Political moderates such as myself are the ones that suffer. How the hell am I supposed to support stem cell research AND a strong foreign policy?

The Robot Hunter · 02-10-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dac

I feel the two issues are very intertwined personally. To say that we aren't divided is just ridiculous. We are in what is essentially a two party system. Your either Republican or Democrat or your vote is worthless. These two parties rarely agree on anything, and half of the things they do stand for are only stood for because they have larger agendas encompassing them. Political moderates such as myself are the ones that suffer. How the hell am I supposed to support stem cell research AND a strong foreign policy?

This is why we vote for people and not policies. There has to be a certain reconciliation of the policies that you don't believe in as strongly as others, and sometimes it sucks but you have to resign to the fact that there's probably not a politician that you agree with completely (unless you ran for office yourself... and even then your job is to represent the people of your city/district/etc. rather than your own agendas so there would have to be reconciliation there anyway). For instance, I'm pro-life, but I realized in the process of the presidential campaign that there are more pressing issues and that I can't vote for a candidate based on one policy.
There's obviously division in our two-party system but because we have people representing us (i mean of course there are politicians that are complete puppets of their parties i.e. sarah palin imo) there are politicians who stray from their party lines on certain issues, so there are politicians that are both pro-stem cell research and have strong foreign policy (don't ask me their names).
The hard part is cutting through the political party bull**** that people like rush dish out that makes it seem like this policy or that policy is the most important thing in the world and if you don't agree you're a communist; and finding what policies are important to you.

sleepy jack · 02-10-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dac

I feel the two issues are very intertwined personally. To say that we aren't divided is just ridiculous. We are in what is essentially a two party system. Your either Republican or Democrat or your vote is worthless. These two parties rarely agree on anything, and half of the things they do stand for are only stood for because they have larger agendas encompassing them. Political moderates such as myself are the ones that suffer. How the hell am I supposed to support stem cell research AND a strong foreign policy?

The nation is divided by Democrats and Republicans; not Washington. The political parties are like an old married couple, they're used to dealing with each other constantly. The giant corporations don't care how you feel about abortion unless they're making money off an abortion clinic in which case, conservative or liberal, if they need your vote they'll get it from you. The parties might be polarized on some domestic issues but they're issues that are largely outside of corporate interests. Sure you get moments of "ideological unity" but it's just for show. Most of the politicians in Washington only care about maintaining power; which means listening to the people giving you campaign donations and being an alternative choice to the opposition party. I'm not saying party politics isn't a problem there; it is but it's minimal and the larger issue here is the fact our country is run mostly by greedy, stupid pigs who care about their cozy jobs and status in life as opposed to serving the people.

dac · 02-10-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

The nation is divided by Democrats and Republicans; not Washington. The political parties are like an old married couple, they're used to dealing with each other constantly. The giant corporations don't care how you feel about abortion unless they're making money off an abortion clinic in which case, conservative or liberal, if they need your vote they'll get it from you. The parties might be polarized on some domestic issues but they're issues that are largely outside of corporate interests. Sure you get moments of "ideological unity" but it's just for show. Most of the politicians in Washington only care about maintaining power; which means listening to the people giving you campaign donations and being an alternative choice to the opposition party. I'm not saying party politics isn't a problem there; it is but it's minimal and the larger issue here is the fact our country is run mostly by greedy, stupid pigs who care about their cozy jobs and status in life as opposed to serving the people.

I can dig that.