Lets just bail out the world (country, American, effects, quote)

Yukon Cornelius · 01-28-2009, 07:54 AM

I hate this junk. I honestly feel that bailing big buisness out is postponing the inevitable. I understand the concept, though i dont agree with it all the way. I also understand that we are going to pay for it one way or another. The rising cost of natural resources is not helping anyone except big oil. I feel that greed is the biggest factor here. Though wouldnt a better economy be better for everyone in the long run. So how can any statement be valid.

I would like others opinions, maybe im not educated well enough on the topic

Inuzuka Skysword · 01-28-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

I hate this junk. I honestly feel that bailing big buisness out is postponing the inevitable. I understand the concept, though i dont agree with it all the way. I also understand that we are going to pay for it one way or another. The rising cost of natural resources is not helping anyone except big oil. I feel that greed is the biggest factor here. Though wouldnt a better economy be better for everyone in the long run. So how can any statement be valid.

I would like others opinions, maybe im not educated well enough on the topic

Oh my gosh, no one could have thought of that! You tell people to hand you things. You believe their property belongs to you. You think that big businesses should cater for you. Join the rest of the stupid liberals.

The only greed here is the idea that we should all have to make up for the mistake of others. I just find it funny how everyone doesn't want to bail out the big businesses which provide all the welfare that a ton of this country is living on in the first place. American liberalism is so hypocritical.

Terrible Lizard · 01-28-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Oh my gosh, no one could have thought of that! You tell people to hand you things. You believe their property belongs to you. You think that big businesses should cater for you. Join the rest of the stupid liberals.

The only greed here is the idea that we should all have to make up for the mistake of others. I just find it funny how everyone doesn't want to bail out the big businesses which provide all the welfare that a ton of this country is living on in the first place. American liberalism is so hypocritical.

Politics in most forms is hypocritical, but then again so are most institutions in the world.

Yukon Cornelius · 01-28-2009, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Oh my gosh, no one could have thought of that! You tell people to hand you things. You believe their property belongs to you. You think that big businesses should cater for you. Join the rest of the stupid liberals.

The only greed here is the idea that we should all have to make up for the mistake of others. I just find it funny how everyone doesn't want to bail out the big businesses which provide all the welfare that a ton of this country is living on in the first place. American liberalism is so hypocritical.

It is us that makes big business big... Catering should be there job.

Inuzuka Skysword · 01-28-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

It is us that makes big business big... Catering should be there job.

Yes, but you make those big businesses big based on your own free choice to buy from them. Nobody should be catering anybody. You pay for their product, then they give it to you. Then you go back to life. Both parties agreed to a price for the item, and that item is sold for that price.

No one is a slave to anyone. Financial situations should not force people into slavery.

Yukon Cornelius · 01-28-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

I honestly feel that bailing big buisness out is postponing the inevitable.

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in the long run these bailouts are only going to make things worse...far worse.

Basically the same idea...

Yukon Cornelius · 01-28-2009, 10:18 AM

All business from the smallest to the biggest will do anything to sell you anything so long as its not assential. Catering you ask basically... If you have to have it they will compete.. If you dont need they will find a way to make it easier, of course this goes along with after they have made you want it.

So thats really the question...
Your own free choice to buy. Right but the econonmy blows because there is high tax on what you need... Gas being one of the biggest.. and lower tax on what you want.

Its my free choice to do anything...
No one is a slave to big business ?? Enjoy higher taxes after the next bail out.

Inuzuka Skysword · 01-28-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

All business from the smallest to the biggest will do anything to sell you anything so long as its not assential. Catering you ask basically... If you have to have it they will compete.. If you dont need they will find a way to make it easier, of course this goes along with after they have made you want it.

So thats really the question...
Your own free choice to buy. Right but the econonmy blows because there is high tax on what you need... Gas being one of the biggest.. and lower tax on what you want.

Its my free choice to do anything...
No one is a slave to big business ?? Enjoy higher taxes after the next bail out.

I have stated I am against the bail out. My point is the fact that you are blaming the bail out on big businesses taking risks. Sorry, the bail out is a cause of the government meddling with the economy.

sleepy jack · 01-28-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Oh my gosh, no one could have thought of that! You tell people to hand you things. You believe their property belongs to you. You think that big businesses should cater for you. Join the rest of the stupid liberals.

If a business wants to succeed it should actually cater to a certain extent to the populace.

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

The only greed here is the idea that we should all have to make up for the mistake of others. I just find it funny how everyone doesn't want to bail out the big businesses which provide all the welfare that a ton of this country is living on in the first place. American liberalism is so hypocritical.

That's not greed Oxford and these businesses (e.g. the auto industry) haven't been making money; in fact they've been losing it. Bush has been giving tax cut to big business anyway. A good deal of Democrats in Wasington (Kucinich for instance) have been strongly against the bail outs and even Clinton's been saying they're going about this wrong and if they are going to do bail out companies they need to (and they only did this with AIG) buy the majority of the stocks and collect enough interest so the tax payers actually make money in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Yes, but you make those big businesses big based on your own free choice to buy from them. Nobody should be catering anybody. You pay for their product, then they give it to you. Then you go back to life. Both parties agreed to a price for the item, and that item is sold for that price.

No one is a slave to anyone. Financial situations should not force people into slavery.

Once again if a business doesn't even try and cater to a populace it's not going to sell anything. This is basic supply and demand here.

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

I have stated I am against the bail out. My point is the fact that you are blaming the bail out on big businesses taking risks. Sorry, the bail out is a cause of the government meddling with the economy.

Wrong. For one these bail outs ARE the government meddling with the economy. The causes of these businesses needing the bail outs is do to their own stupidity. In the case of the auto industry it had nothing to do with the government meddling with their business model it has to do with them making shitty cars. In fact if the government had stepped in like the rest of the world is and told the auto industry to start making smart cars a decade ago they'd be in much better shape. As for the financial industry if During the Clinton years they hadn't repealed Glass-Steagall all these facets of that industry wouldn't be effected. Lack of government regulation and intervention has more do with this then not.

I understand you libertarians want to blame everything on the government being too big but that's simply stupid in this case. Clinton and Bush and the Congress and Senate under them have been getting rid of things set up during the Great Depression for the past ten years as well as deregulating businesses (though this part was more Bush than Clinton.) It clearly hasn't been a good thing. I don't know how you can honestly say these bail outs are the cause of the government meddling with the economy seeing as everything that's happened points to the opposite.

Inuzuka Skysword · 01-28-2009, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

If a business wants to succeed it should actually cater to the populace.

I agree. What you want to do is hold a gun to a business man's head and tell him to cater. I say that the man should cater and succeed if he wants to. If he doesn't then he doesn't succeed.

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That's not greed Oxford and these businesses (e.g. the auto industry) haven't been making money; in fact they've been losing it. A good deal of Democrats in Wasington (Kucinich for instance) have been strongly against the bail outs and even Clinton's been saying they're going about this wrong and if they are going to do bail out companies they need to (and they only did this with AIG) buy the majority of the stocks and collect enough interest so the tax payers actually make money in the long run.

This is attacking a point that I am pretty sure I didn't make. The points I made were:

The government is forcing taxpayers to pay for a failed business that has nothing to do with me (the individual).
American liberalism is hypocritical because they don't want to bail out companies that pay taxes to their welfare.

Number two was a generalization, but it is true for a lot of people.

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Once again if a business doesn't even try and cater to a populace it's not going to sell anything. This is basic supply and demand here.

Again, I don't want to force businesses into catering to anyone. That is slavery.

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Wrong. For one these bail outs ARE the government meddling with the economy. The causes of these businesses needing the bail outs is do to their own stupidity. In the case of the auto industry it had nothing to do with the government meddling with their business model it has to do with them making ****ty cars. In fact if the government had stepped in like the rest of the world is and told the auto industry to start making smart cars a decade ago they'd be in much better shape. As for the financial industry if During the Clinton years they hadn't repealed Glass-Steagall all these facets of that industry wouldn't be effected. Lack of government regulation and intervention has more do with this then not.

Nobody would have to bail out anybody if there was no welfare. The thing is, America runs on the taxes of the upper class/middle class. If the only people who were going to lose out were stockholders/people related to the business then this wouldn't have happened. However, we have entangled each other into our lives with welfare. A lot of people are now depending on other people to work for them. It isn't like it is voluntary either. It is at gun point.

Secondly, freer economies bring more successful businesses. Our economy has never been a completely free economy. In fact, what we live under right now is VERY restricted capitalism. So the notion that businesses fail under capitalism is false because we operate under the absolute worst economic system, moderated capitalism or mixed economy.

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I understand you libertarians want to blame everything on the government being too big but that's simply stupid in this case. Clinton and Bush and the Congress and Senate under them have been getting rid of things set up during the Great Depression for the past ten years as well as deregulating businesses (though this part was more Bush than Clinton.) It clearly hasn't been a good thing. I don't know how you can honestly say these bail outs are the cause of the government meddling with the economy seeing as everything that's happened points to the opposite.

They are not deregulating enough. Moderated capitalism is worse than socialism.

01-28-2009, 07:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
Yukon Cornelius Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 625	Lets just bail out the world I hate this junk. I honestly feel that bailing big buisness out is postponing the inevitable. I understand the concept, though i dont agree with it all the way. I also understand that we are going to pay for it one way or another. The rising cost of natural resources is not helping anyone except big oil. I feel that greed is the biggest factor here. Though wouldnt a better economy be better for everyone in the long run. So how can any statement be valid. I would like others opinions, maybe im not educated well enough on the topic __________________ Attempting to find a cure for Stupid...

01-28-2009, 10:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
Yukon Cornelius Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 625	All business from the smallest to the biggest will do anything to sell you anything so long as its not assential. Catering you ask basically... If you have to have it they will compete.. If you dont need they will find a way to make it easier, of course this goes along with after they have made you want it. So thats really the question... Your own free choice to buy. Right but the econonmy blows because there is high tax on what you need... Gas being one of the biggest.. and lower tax on what you want. Its my free choice to do anything... No one is a slave to big business ?? Enjoy higher taxes after the next bail out. __________________ Attempting to find a cure for Stupid...