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Dr_Rez 01-28-2009 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 587158)
You just used recession and depression interchangeably...they're not the same thing. We've only had one depression and that was the Great Depression; singular. No S at the end.

There have been MANY recessions, but as I stated only a few depressions. (not interchangeable at all) When a recession is bad enough to effect the GDP and everyone's pocketbook severely it should be considered a depression.

sleepy jack 01-28-2009 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 587160)
There have been MANY recessions, but as I stated only a few depressions. (not interchangeable at all) When a recession is bad enough to effect the GDP and everyone's pocketbook severely it should be considered a depression.

There has only been one depression. A depression, by definition, is a very long economic downturn (an entire decade for instance.) We have only gone through this one that was the Great Depression. There has been no other economic depression in United States history.

Dr_Rez 01-28-2009 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 587161)
There has only been one depression. A depression, by definition, is a very long economic downturn (an entire decade for instance.) We have only gone through this one that was the Great Depression. There has been no other economic depression in United States history.

It is not a very long economic downturn. Its s SEVERAL years. You are just measuring it by the great depression. Also during that time the GDP must change severly, unemployment goes way down, wages go down, and economic output goes down.

sleepy jack 01-28-2009 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 587163)
It is not a very long economic downturn. Its s SEVERAL years. You are just measuring it by the great depression. Also during that time the GDP must change severly, unemployment goes way down, wages go down, and economic output goes down.

A depression by definition IS a long recession. Since a recession encapsulates all those things as well a depression does too (though they're escalated under a depression.) This isn't fucking debatable. The fact we've only had one depression (the great depression) isn't fucking debatable either.

Dr_Rez 01-29-2009 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 587165)
A depression by definition IS a long recession. Since a recession encapsulates all those things as well a depression does too (though they're escalated under a depression.) This isn't fucking debatable. The fact we've only had one depression (the great depression) isn't fucking debatable either.

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer (Post 587166)
elaborate. i'm not even going to argue, just elaborate so i can see if you even know what the hell you're going on about.

oh, and you can't just redefine words, you know. there was only one depression in the 20th century. it's a fact.


1. I entirely disagree with the not "****ing debatable" fact. The only reason it is called a recession when it gets bad and not a depression is because the government does not want the public to lose faith in them. AKA them losing there power and say in how the country works.

2. And to Wayfarer, if you would like me to elaborate then it will. Because apparently I don't "even know what the hell" im going on about. (And I wont begin to go into how you have not even begun to describe any of your points, just simply state how they are correct)

Conservative right wing thinking does this country very little good. Yes it encourages some basic freedoms such as gun ownership and many other small personal freedoms, but does so blindly and with little insight.

Most major wars and invasions in the US have happened on a republicans watch. McKinley, Roosevelt, and Taft leading up to and WW1. In Vietnam after the entire country wanted to leave a few years into the war Nixon and Ford continued sending massive amounts of troops in. George H.W. Bush in 91 in the Persian Gulf War. Afghanistan and Iraq with younger Bush in 2001 and 2003. (This is of coarse discounting examples like WWII in which we were forced into the war while a Democratic resident was in power) The right wing way of thinking is not with your head but with a gun. Mainly if you in any way say something against the president or government in office it is unpatriotic and makes you a bad American.

Next on this list is the right wing love for big business as displayed in the last 8 years of this countries leadership. While big business and corporate monopolies have turned into the new version of Capitalism (it is constantly changing).These huge companies pay their workers next to nothing, (yet it seems hat you dont mind that and its the peoples individual fault) and keep hour and working conditions disgustingly bad. CEO's of today make 20 times what they made 30 years ago. Ford paid his workers much higher than anyone today, and he made much less because of this. Republicans allow this to happen, not only turning a blind eye, but seeming to encourage it. Do you think its fair that the CEO of a company walks away with 40 million a year while the works get less than what they need to live?

I have to go to work but I will finish this post when I come back.

sleepy jack 01-29-2009 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 587187)
1. I entirely disagree with the not "****ing debatable" fact. The only reason it is called a recession when it gets bad and not a depression is because the government does not want the public to lose faith in them. AKA them losing there power and say in how the country works.

This is a complete lie. Depressions are easy to spot especially in hindsight. There has only been one depression and we all know what it is.

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 587187)
Most major wars and invasions in the US have happened on a republicans watch. McKinley, Roosevelt, and Taft leading up to and WWI. In Vietnam after the entire country wanted to leave a few years into the war Nixon and Ford continued sending massive amounts of troops in. George H.W. Bush in 91 in the Persian Gulf War. Afghanistan and Iraq with younger Bush in 2001 and 2003. (This is of coarse discounting examples like WWII in which we were forced into the war while a Democratic resident was in power) The right wing way of thinking is not with your head but with a gun. Mainly if you in any way say something against the president or government in office it is unpatriotic and makes you a bad American.

Oh this is such blatant bullshit. Republicans didn't start World War I, it wasn't even fought on American soil it was fought in Europe. Kennedy (Democrat) got us involved in Vietnam further (though in his defense prior to his assassination he was talking about getting us out of Vietnam) and Lyndon Johnson (also a Democrat) escalated that to horrible levels. Nixon, for all his scumbaggery, started pulling troops out of Vietnam. As for Bush senior going into Iraq in '91 was authorized by the United Nations and was the right thing to do. As for King George the Fourth; going into Afghanistan was completely justifiable and probably the only thing right he did after 9/11. Really the only thing you have going on this list (against the Republicans) is the Iraq War...which is balanced out by Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson's actions in regards to Vietnam.

Dr_Rez 01-29-2009 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 587192)
Oh this is such blatant bullshit. Republicans didn't start World War I, it wasn't even fought on American soil it was fought in Europe. [/SIZE]

Do you even listen?? Did I say they start wars? No. Try reading the post before posting pissed off short responses. Ill bold this for you so maybe it will sink in. Most major wars and invasions in the US have happened on a republicans watch. Noone said anything about starting wars just they always are more inclined to enter one.

At least Wayfarer has the decency to reply calmly and respectfully. Every time I see you disagree with anything on this forum you start swearing or have a hissy fit. Act your age, and if your real young...act older.

sleepy jack 01-29-2009 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 587194)
Do you even listen?? Did I say they start wars? No. Try reading the post before posting pissed off short responses. Ill bold this for you so maybe it will sink in. Most major wars and invasions in the US have happened on a republicans watch. Noone said anything about starting wars just they always are more inclined to enter one.

So what...you think we should have stayed out of World War I? Or you think if a Democrat had been in office during World War I we wouldn't have eventually gotten involved in it?

Dr_Rez 01-29-2009 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack (Post 587196)
So what...you think we should have stayed out of World War I? Or you think if a Democrat had been in office during World War I we wouldn't have eventually gotten involved in it?

Yes, not fully but yes we should have. It was a chance for the US to show that it was a world power and keep frinds with its allies in Europe.

And a Democrat was in office for all of WW1. Have you heard of Woodrow Wilson? He ried to remain nuetral and stay out of the war.

sleepy jack 01-29-2009 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by RezZ (Post 587199)
Yes, not fully but yes we should have. It was a chance for the US to show that it was a world power and keep frinds with its allies in Europe.

And a Democrat was in office for all of WW1. Have you heard of Woodrow Wilson? He ried to remain nuetral and stay out of the war.

Yes but according to you his three Republican predecessors somehow led to World War I.


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