The Official Barack Obama Thread (techno, country, house, doors)

[Yukon Cornelius]

Yes poor buisness desisions based on threats.. I have already stated that. Watch as the unions slowley disappear due to there greedy demands. Say what you want before long there will be no such thing as american made because everyone and this includes unions can afford to compete with companies that outsource their product. So before any of you think these are not based of the unions demands think again. All your precious unions want to much money and or benifits than the company can provide. Look at the AMC where did they go? Under!! we let capitalism win out basically anyone who could still turn a profit (those companies without arms twisted) were still good to go. Now they should do the same thing. However you slice the cake these companies were strong armed that all there is to it. YES they had to make irrational decisions (do to the continuing strike epidemic) to keep production moving and now its not only hurting the CO its hurting anyone who worked for them in this case its union workers. Once again YOU are entitled to support whoever you want as this is america but dont blame a company thats been around for 70 plus years for trying to keep there heads afloat by meeting demands that are irrational its also part of the union workers fault and if not for them the companies would still prosper.

How often do you stand out in the streets and demand more money? If you have i would consider you both greedy and stupid.

[Yukon Cornelius]

Originally Posted by 7gaugejames

Do you enjoy your 40 hour workweek, it used to be;".. work till we tell you, or else". How about child labor laws, overtime pay, paid sick leave, maternity leave, workers advocacy, employer obligation to re- hire those called to service, e-verification of legal residents for right to work, Grieving pay and leave for spouses, pensions, (not 401k's, mind you) how about equal pay no matter what the sex of the employee, race or creed, medical benfits that actually benefit someone besides the employer, like any of those things, or do you have someone in your family who takes advantage of any of those things, Thank a union activist. Not to mention, the American Decleration of Independence was signed in union hall (carpenters hall, Philly) that most countries want thier states to be unionized, by that I mean, working together for the common good, under one set of uniformed guidelines, forgoing self in the intrest of others, yet flexible enough to change with the needs of the rank and file. Firemen are unionized, police, nurses, ask a teacher how bad they get screwed from their weak union, why's it weak... really cant ignore the children, but ask that same teacher if they'd be better off without collective bargaining. Ask that same teacher when she's got her Phd and is off to teach at university, gets tenure. it's hard at first but they get there, why unions, same reason people care about your safety, And that brings me around to paid training, travel re-imbursements, and tax deductions for work related items anyone buys. Just to name a few, and i mean few, there are many more things that unions have done, and are doing, to better the lives of the worker, not just here world wide. You mentioned a couple foriegn auto makers have decent pay and benefit packages and resonable retirement pensions, yet you fale to mention that Japanese industry has been supported by it's government since the end WWII. They had to. Amarican big 3 as you like to call them, which is fuc#ing retarded, the big 3 are Wal-mart, Phizer, and Proctor Gamble. They employ vast numbers of people through vast areas of industry and make vast revenue for share holders, calling our biggest auto companies the big three in America is akin to saying the three biggest states in America are Los Angeles, New York and Dallas. So as you lace up your nikes today Youkon and go for a run in your fantasy land, say high to the unicorns for me and remember, some times it is better to keep your opinions to yourself and be thought a fool rather than voicing them and erasing any doubt.

Agreed but how often do you see fireman, Police, Teachers, ect out in the streets with threats of quiting if these certian guidlines are not met. Is it your fault or anyone elses that these people feel so under paid or lacking in benifits did anyone make them take that job. This is a free country and if you are not satisfied go get another f-ing job dont stress a company beyond belife because someone makes more that you. There job is manual labor there not teaching our youth or protecting our ppl or saving ppl falling out of the twin towers. Honestly there letting machines do most of the work for them. Piss cry moan what ever you want to do but dont dare put a car line worker in the same catagory as someone that might one day put you out of your twisted peice of crap car.

[7gaugejames]

As if no companies who have never worked within a union contact are in trouble. As if the Mom and Pop's haven't been systematicly choked off, the life blood of this country is local business, where monies can stay within a community. The decline of America is on the back of the big box stores feeding the masses with ever decreasing prices brought to us by foriegn competitors, and the demand is at an all time high. I spend 3 times normal market value to wear clothes made in America, union textiles are still out there, I buy my food at the local farmers market, and that doesn't mean your local organic chain. I use bio-diesel and shun gasoline. My spring pig is almost ready to butcher, i'll trade most for beef and buffalo. If it went dark tonight and i mean forever.... will you survive. Who will unite with you in your stuggle.
I know lets ask the millions of people in the Ukraine what happens when free enterprise isn't checked by labor standards, but will that get them the heating oil they need? Oh yeah, i'm not on some farm in Nebraska, i'm in San Diego and i deal mostly with mexicans, cash business is good, I am a union carpenter, my family, GOD willing, will survive. When borders don't mean anything and salt, sugar and flour become our currency again, who will stand with you? Blame it on the unions, but we stand shoulder to shoulder with eachother, forgoing the needs of the few for the needs of the many.

[Yukon Cornelius]

Originally Posted by 7gaugejames

As if no companies who have never worked within a union contact are in trouble. As if the Mom and Pop's haven't been systematicly choked off, the life blood of this country is local business, where monies can stay within a community. The decline of America is on the back of the big box stores feeding the masses with ever decreasing prices brought to us by foriegn competitors, and the demand is at an all time high. I spend 3 times normal market value to wear clothes made in America, union textiles are still out there, I buy my food at the local farmers market, and that doesn't mean your local organic chain. I use bio-diesel and shun gasoline. My spring pig is almost ready to butcher, i'll trade most for beef and buffalo. If it went dark tonight and i mean forever.... will you survive. Who will unite with you in your stuggle.
I know lets ask the millions of people in the Ukraine what happens when free enterprise isn't checked by labor standards, but will that get them the heating oil they need? Oh yeah, i'm not on some farm in Nebraska, i'm in San Diego and i deal mostly with mexicans, cash business is good, I am a union carpenter, my family, GOD willing, will survive. When borders don't mean anything and salt, sugar and flour become our currency again, who will stand with you? Blame it on the unions, but we stand shoulder to shoulder with eachother, forgoing the needs of the few for the needs of the many.

We arent talking about the Ukraine... #1 The problems you spoke of before have changed for some reason now. #2 Do you beg and threaten for more money?#3 Do you think that they should pay you more for doing something that does not take (college education)#4 is it cool with you that these ppl make more than you to do less? #5 I know its not the first time and it wont be the last. #6 I would not blame the unions workers if it was just the company claiming that they need assistance due to the lack of sales. However its not that way. These union workers should have been a little more greatful and now its to late and im sure they are all eating the words that helped small problems turn into job ending ones.

Once again in closing is something better than nothing ? I think that everyone in america should go on strike abuse the welfare system and never break a sweat ever because its just not fair... BOO HOO support who you want and enjoy that. Everyone wants to make more money and only those who apply themselfs are in the actual pursuit of happiness. You are free to choose your destiny and if its asking for more than you put in you will lose.

[Yukon Cornelius]

I think that everyone in america should go on strike^ get fired^

[sleepy jack]

You need to shut up. What you're saying not only shows a complete disregard for reality it's complete propaganda. Unions don't destroy businesses. The auto industry isn't going under because of unions. This isn't a debatable subject. You're arguing against objective facts and that's just stupid.

[Yukon Cornelius]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

You need to shut up. What you're saying not only shows a complete disregard for reality it's complete propaganda. Unions don't destroy businesses. The auto industry isn't going under because of unions. This isn't a debatable subject. You're arguing against objective facts and that's just stupid.

Please dont tell me to shut up cause you dont wanna hear the truth. Im not saying anything that doesnt make sense it just does not rub you the right way.

Remove your heads from the clouds

[sleepy jack]

Provide a legitimate source then. Prove to me that the funds of the auto industry have been all siphoned away to their workers and it has nothing to do with the fact they've been supplying a product there's no demand for. Until you can do this I'm going to call you a liar.

[Yukon Cornelius]

Unions dont destroy things, greedy union workers do. If not for all the strike pay me strike pay me more than likley these companies would be afloat.

[sleepy jack]

Once again, prove your argument. Come on, New York Times, Washington Post, Rush Limbaugh; give me something.