The Official Barack Obama Thread (alternative, country, American, shows)

[sleepy jack]

Why does his plan suck?

[sleepy jack]

Bring in the points bitch.

[Yukon Cornelius]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Bring in the points bitch.

Is that anyway to speak to someone? Do you think its fair to raise the tax of people who there entire life have done well? And i mean well as in from the bottom up like all people strive? I look at it like this it appears his plan takes from people who have there head on right and gives it to the people who have government furnished quarters, food stamps all that crap. Basically the government takes money from the people who make an honest living and give it to the people who rob them blind. So lets all just quite our jobs and let them take care of us as well so we can get free health care and government furnished housing and money for food... Just because we want to.

[Yukon Cornelius]

need i say more? Are you really that tired Sleepy?

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

Is that anyway to speak to someone? Do you think its fair to raise the tax of people who there entire life have done well? And i mean well as in from the bottom up like all people strive? I look at it like this it appears his plan takes from people who have there head on right and gives it to the people who have government furnished quarters, food stamps all that crap. Basically the government takes money from the people who make an honest living and give it to the people who rob them blind. So lets all just quite our jobs and let them take care of us as well so we can get free health care and government furnished housing and money for food... Just because we want to.

That comment was a (sort of) inside joke between Wayfarer and I and just a continuance on what he referenced.

The top percent in this country have been controlling 90% of the wealth, they've been getting tax breaks and an easy ride and they've been he ones robbing America blind; not the poor. The lower and middle classes have been the one picking up the slack the Bush tax cuts left behind, they've been the ones shrinking into poverty and trying to make it. Your idea of working class millionaires and welfare queens is ignorance defined. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter and go outside more.

[Yukon Cornelius]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

That comment was a (sort of) inside joke between Wayfarer and I and just a continuance on what he referenced.

The top percent in this country have been controlling 90% of the wealth, they've been getting tax breaks and an easy ride and they've been he ones robbing America blind; not the poor. The lower and middle classes have been the one picking up the slack the Bush tax cuts left behind, they've been the ones shrinking into poverty and trying to make it. Your idea of working class millionaires and welfare queens is ignorance defined. Stop listening to Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter and go outside more.

Thats Great that you talk of big business as robbing the Gov blind cause i was actually talking of ppl who make over 100,000 k a year. But since you brought up big buisness getting tax breaks i will put it like this. Ok big buisness has a product to sell and ppl buy it putting all kinds of tax money up for grabs so if they get a tax break i dont think it compares to the mass quantity of taxes that there company put back into the economy So how is that robbing?

People who do nothing all day and collect a check at the end of the month and have food stamps and all that gov assitance are actually robbing to gov. The programs out there are not long term they are supposed to be used in the short term but ppl who are lazy or just plain suck abuse the system and make those making an honest living get taxed more just to now not only pay for there big screen but there health care as well. I guess basically im sick of anyone that makes an honest living supporting those that would rather take from the pot without putting anything in...

Now have i answered your Question Sleepy jack or am i still wrong?

[sleepy jack]

The problem with your equation is once again, ignorance. This republican fantasy of welfare queens is so exaggerated and has so little bearing on reality it's just absurd. You can't afford a big screen and a house if you're living on unemployment and food stamps. People who "abuse the system" are still living in poverty; this isn't Sweden.

As far as your argument that big corporations and rich people put more money into the economy. It barely makes sense. You're saying that because people buy their product, somehow, they pump more money into the government and economy because of it? So that money, makes up for the money they would be paying without tax cuts? Maybe you need to go look at how the middle class has been slipping below the poverty line under these policies, favoring the rich, before you run around advocating trickle-down economics.

[Yukon Cornelius]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

The problem with your equation is once again, ignorance. This republican fantasy of welfare queens is so exaggerated and has so little bearing on reality it's just absurd. You can't afford a big screen and a house if you're living on unemployment and food stamps. People who "abuse the system" are still living in poverty; this isn't Sweden.

As far as your argument that big corporations and rich people put more money into the economy. It barely makes sense. You're saying that because people buy their product, somehow, they pump more money into the government and economy because of it? So that money, makes up for the money they would be paying without tax cuts? Maybe you need to go look at how the middle class has been slipping below the poverty line under these policies, favoring the rich, before you run around advocating trickle-down economics.

Where do you live?? The "Hamptons" My own father rents out some smaller houses right now and he has a women i one who is currently living off welfare.. Her TV is so f-ing big that its hard to get in the door. Dont know maybe she sells drugs. Is your head in the clouds or are you really that excited about paying for the poor ppl. Ignorance how about you look around. I barley watch the news but i see what I am speaking about everyday. Im a military guy right and there was a toy drive for underprivileged low income families that didnt make that much money. I thought i was doing something from the heart until i noticed all these the ppl coming to get these toys were driving in nicer cars then mine. Maybe im underprivileged you tell me.

I dont feel like anyone driving a 40000 dollar vehical should be picking up free toys just like i dont think that that same person should get free everything. I understand if your a demo thats cool but dont call me ignorant just listen to my points as i have done the same for you.

Its kinda like the union workers strong arming companies for unrealistic wages. This leads to the death of the company and the people who loose there jobs will knock on the doors of the people who just wanted to work and were happy with there wages.

To end if it completely overexaggerated then why the hell do they need to tax anyone to give others a break. Is it my fault or yours or your parents that these ppl cant afford anything? Maybe its piss poor planing on there part either way middle class america will be paying to make there health care virtually free. Thats something that i dont agree with. Maybe get off your A$$ and do something.

[Yukon Cornelius]

Middle class is slipping because of inflation.

[anticipation]

Originally Posted by Yukon Cornelius

Its kinda like the union workers strong arming companies for unrealistic wages. This leads to the death of the company and the people who loose there jobs will knock on the doors of the people who just wanted to work and were happy with there wages.

that's kinda like never happened, ever.

no one has ever woken up in the morning and said, "Hey, working 16 hours for 3 cents a day is totally sweet! I'm so happy with not being able to feed myself, let alone my family."