Evolution and the Public School System (country, house, Genesis, Religious)

sleepy jack · 01-08-2009, 03:18 PM

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TALLAHASSEE, FL -- Teachers are one step closer being able to openly criticize the theory of evolution in the classroom.

In a vote of 21 to 17, Florida's State Senators adopted the evolution education bill, also known as the "Academic Freedom Act."

Math and Science experts submitted a new set of education standards earlier this year, standards that were adopted by Florida's State Board of Education. Now, teachers will teach fewer topics but in greater depth.

One subject facing scrutiny is the in-depth teaching of evolution.

State Senator Ronda Storms sponsored the legislation that would allow teachers to teach theories that contradict the theory of evolution.

Although this bill passed Florida's Senate, it still requires approval from the House and Governor.

Senate Passes Evolution Bill | Firstcoastnews.com | Local News

Fuck separation of church and state, let's just start teaching Genesis in schools instead!

sleepy jack · 01-08-2009, 03:19 PM

Is it just me, or is Florida going as red state as possible lately? They've already banned any form of civil unions. I'm waiting for their Ban on Atheism/Agnosticism and Mandatory Church Bill next. I guess they're preparing for the presidency of a marxist-socialist-sexist-muslim-environmentalist-terrorist-white flag of surrender bearing-arab-black supremacist-communist-liberal-celebrity.

**Janszoon** · 01-08-2009, 03:38 PM

I lived in Florida for a while and I have to confess that state bugs the shit out of me for a number of reasons, not the least of which are situations like the one in that article.

Dr_Rez · 01-08-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Is it just me, or is Florida going as red state as possible lately? They've already banned any form of civil unions. I'm waiting for their Ban on Atheism/Agnosticism and Mandatory Church Bill next. I guess they're preparing for the presidency of a marxist-socialist-sexist-muslim-environmentalist-terrorist-white flag of surrender bearing-arab-black supremacist-communist-liberal-celebrity.

It really confuses me how anyone can refute something that is at least partially backed by fact and science, and then be 100% behind a religious belief. Actually it makes me sick, because once that is done who know where it will lead.

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Is it just me, or is Florida going as red state as possible lately?

They have always been considered a swing state, although you are partially right in saying there more of a red state. Over half of the time they vote Red, but still consistently pick a blue (such as this previous election).

*I am referring to Electoral College, I am not sure about popular vote.

Double X · 01-08-2009, 06:36 PM

I really hate Florida (I go down there every year to visit my stereotypical grandfather) but I don't feel like going into it in depth. Quickly: old people, one long straight road, f*cked up allergies, high school football>high school education, racism, boring swamps, smokers.

That article is crazy though, sad that people can't take the time to even look at how radiocarbon dating works.

joyboyo53 · 01-08-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

I guess they're preparing for the presidency of a marxist-socialist-sexist-muslim-environmentalist-terrorist-white flag of surrender bearing-arab-black supremacist-communist-liberal-celebrity.

talk about putting words in someones mouth.

in all seriousness i agree that seperation of church and state is important, and that evolution is a pretty undeniable fact. however, you have to respect the state legislative powers granted by the 10th amendment. i really just dont understand why this has to be such an issue everywhere, couldnt they just defer the lesson all together? i mean, how about we leave SOME responsibilty on the parents to teach their children... seems like a reasonable solution to me, but then again i am not involved in the education system so wtf do i know?

swim · 01-08-2009, 08:35 PM

They teach evolution in North Carolina.

yoboe · 01-08-2009, 08:52 PM

evolution is pretty much fact and can be disputed a lot less than religion can. think of how many wars have been /are being fought over religion. now think of how many are being fought over for evolution.
teaching evolution is fine, saying that evolution cancels out religion and therefore someones religion is wrong is not ok.

khfreek · 01-08-2009, 10:01 PM

Oh Florida, how your tourist and beach areas give the wrong impression of your general population, I weep for thee

sleepy jack · 01-08-2009, 11:24 PM

I didn't mean red state in reference to how they go when they vote I meant in an ideological sense. It just seems like they're going overboard on all the conservative issues, they've already completely stripped civil unions for homosexuals and now they're allowing this? It would be one thing if there was another scientific theory that contradicted evolution but God came out of nowhere (and he's all been in nowhere) and created Adam and Eve isn't a scientific theory.

Socially I'm a libertarian in many aspects and I don't give a crap about Merry Christmas, Nativity scenes or people saying "God Bless You" but when it starts to get into the educational system...that's when I have a problem with it. If you don't want your kids learning evolution then tell the teacher when evolution comes up to have your kids step out of the room until the discussion is over.

I understand individual states rights and respecting them but I don't think we should be teaching Christian Theology in a science class just because evolution contradicts the bible. My point is basically this: It's a science class. Evolution is a scientific theory, it should be taught without Adam and Eve coming into the equation.

I think separation of church and state is becoming more and more neglected. George Bush's schizophrenia already dictates our foreign policy and you basically have to swear on the bible to even have a chance to win an election in this country. I mean, Under God is in our pledge of allegiance! It shouldn't have been added in the fist place (fuck you Eisenhower.)

01-08-2009, 03:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	I lived in Florida for a while and I have to confess that state bugs the shit out of me for a number of reasons, not the least of which are situations like the one in that article. __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm

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khfreek What a guy Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Brentwood, TN Posts: 2,123	Oh Florida, how your tourist and beach areas give the wrong impression of your general population, I weep for thee __________________ last.fm

01-08-2009, 06:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
Double X sleepe Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: boston Posts: 1,140	I really hate Florida (I go down there every year to visit my stereotypical grandfather) but I don't feel like going into it in depth. Quickly: old people, one long straight road, f*cked up allergies, high school football>high school education, racism, boring swamps, smokers. That article is crazy though, sad that people can't take the time to even look at how radiocarbon dating works.

01-08-2009, 08:52 PM	#8 (permalink)
yoboe Groupie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: C-TOWN Posts: 19	evolution is pretty much fact and can be disputed a lot less than religion can. think of how many wars have been /are being fought over religion. now think of how many are being fought over for evolution. teaching evolution is fine, saying that evolution cancels out religion and therefore someones religion is wrong is not ok.