Evolution and the Public School System (American, quote, Ching)

lucifer_sam · 01-08-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

We weren't saying "one white nation" during the civil rights movement. Also we added Under God to the pledge of allegiance in the fifties. Rove v. Wade happened after that. Not a coincidence, learn to connect the dots.

Laws against abortion were rendered unconstitutional because they added "under God" to the pledge of allegiance?

Gotcha.

(Just a question, but do you understand what Roe v. Wade was? I think you should read about it before you argue about it.)

The Robot Hunter · 02-14-2009, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Once you remove Under God, gay marriage, abortion laws, education reform, etc will follow suit and stop being an issue.

Deep down I hope you're joking because IMO it's a ridiculous over-simplification. Why on earth would removing "under God" from the pledge have anything to do with solving those issues. I think you're just as guilty as republicans are for latching on to something simple like removing "under God" and "in God we trust" and making it into a hugely blown out of proportion topic - you're right that's it a symbol of the church not being completely separated from the state - but it's so short-sighted to think that that's going to solve all the problems in government.

Honestly, I hope the government removes those statements because I believe in the strict separation of church and state. Not only because it's good for the state, but it's good for the church too. The non-separation of church and state is what drove the pilgrims here to found this country on that principle and now because it's convenient to the church to impose their views on the government, the church doesn't want the separation. And now look how the church imposing its "morality" on the state has turned people against the church!

Kamikazi Kat · 02-15-2009, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Robot Hunter

Deep down I hope you're joking because IMO it's a ridiculous over-simplification. Why on earth would removing "under God" from the pledge have anything to do with solving those issues. I think you're just as guilty as republicans are for latching on to something simple like removing "under God" and "in God we trust" and making it into a hugely blown out of proportion topic - you're right that's it a symbol of the church not being completely separated from the state - but it's so short-sighted to think that that's going to solve all the problems in government.

Honestly, I hope the government removes those statements because I believe in the strict separation of church and state. Not only because it's good for the state, but it's good for the church too. The non-separation of church and state is what drove the pilgrims here to found this country on that principle and now because it's convenient to the church to impose their views on the government, the church doesn't want the separation. And now look how the church imposing its "morality" on the state has turned people against the church!

I doubt removing "under god" from the pledge would really make much of a difference, but I do agree that it kind of sets this whole standard. Its tells the American people and other countries that America is a christian country, when its not. Sure, words are powerful, but saying that removing those words from the pledge is going to make everybody go "Hey, abortion and homosexual rights are ok!" But it will be a step in the right direction to seperating the church and the state.

sleepy jack · 01-08-2009, 11:57 PM

You're grossly misunderstanding my point. Perhaps you really do need to brush up on your literary skills.

lucifer_sam · 01-09-2009, 12:04 AM

Awesome. Will do.

sleepy jack · 01-09-2009, 12:05 AM

Good, it might do something like oh I don't know open your mind or teach you logic and stop you from making such vacuous statements.

lucifer_sam · 01-09-2009, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Good, it might do something like oh I don't know open your mind.

Yeah, who knows, I might arrive at the same conjecture as you if I read long enough.

I can only hope.

sleepy jack · 01-09-2009, 12:08 AM

It would certainly do you some good.

lucifer_sam · 01-09-2009, 12:09 AM

More so than that goddamn public university I attend, that's for sure.

sleepy jack · 01-09-2009, 12:10 AM

Well if they're teaching you to think like you (i.e. wrong) than it probably would.

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