Dr_Rez

You do realize there was muchhh more than sexual assault on the prisoners there, such as beatings and a few which were batterd to death. Your "feed a Muslim pork and tell him to praise Jesus" is the last thing to be worried about, not to mention a terrible example of how they were treated.

And your completely missing the point. Of coarse there a difference between the captive and the people doing the torturing, any half wit can figure that out so Im not sure why your even mentioning that... Secondly I dissagree with your point of view. Both parties (the captive and torturer) are both well aware of how torture works and understand it. Just because it was happening to one doesnt make them understand it any better.

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sleepy jack

I'm fully aware of what happened, stop trying to play it off like you're on the intellectual high ground. You were the one who are suggesting that Graner and England know the benefits of torture but there's a fundamental flaw in that argument. THEY WEREN'T TORTURING FOR INFORMATION. There was no military motivation for what they did, they just did it. Torture is never the way to go. John McCain knows this and Matthew Alexander knows even more than McCain, Graner, England, Rumsfeld, Cheney or anyone else in the Bush Administration does.

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Dr_Rez

Forget it... you have turned this into a joke.

I won't bother replying except for the fact that NOT ONCE did I say they knew the benefits of torture. I never even related to that statement in any post I had. I simply stated that they know ABOUT torture. The actual act of degrading and physically harming prisoners. NOTHING WAS SAID ABOUT KNOWING THE BENIFITS OF WHAT THEY WERE DOING OR GETTING ANY INFORMATION.

Forget it though, you seem to become rude and add in details while arguing a point.

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sleepy jack

Sorry, I honestly thought you were arguing that they were good examples and authorities on the subjects of torture justification/benefits.

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Dr_Rez

Its fine. And no your right, they know absolutely nothing about the benefits. Of coarse though it sure is hard to feel bad for many of the ones tortured considering a lot of them were convicted rapists and such.

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dac

I'm pretty much against it kind of... I mean yeah its bad and almost never necessary but I will never be completely against it.

HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION: Someone is holding your loved ones hostage or whatever and you have some dude in your custody who knows the information. Are you saying you wouldn't be willing to hurt this man to get that information?

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Sneer

I dont think anybody could really give a definite yay or nay to torture, as Dac has surmised, its all relative to the circumstances. Given the example he has provided, i know what i'd do.

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cardboard adolescent

i'd try feeding him ten hits of lsd before i'd start cutting off fingers

anticipation

McCain deserved it.

Dr_Rez

If you did that anything he said definitely wouldn't be the truth.

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