Freebase Dali

I hear ya.
But what I'm still not getting is the context of all the information he presented. Granted, most of the individual theories themselves are absurd, but some experiments, like the double-slit, are actual studies. But David doesn't use these theories to make a point, he simply seems to be using them as validity to get his audience to be receptive to whatever personal theories he has.
The psychology of what he does is glaringly apparent.
Ultimately, all the individual theories he presents have absolutely no interlinking qualities to form an overall picture of an ultimate point other than "believe what I'm saying, so I can form an army of ignorant mystics to do my bidding".

The biggest thing I disliked about him is that he goes into describing a THEORY, then based on the description of a THEORY, he tries to use it as backing for a following statement he touts as FACT, without any kind of evidential proof.
He literally confuses his audience with a complex theory, and quickly inserts his own speculation as fact, and the audience invariably files it in the same box labeled "It sounds scientific, it must be true".

If this guy doesn't realize how he's misleading people, it's more dangerous than if he does. Because at least if he did, he might eventually have an attack of conscience and give it up. Otherwise, he's just twitching around in his own web of conspiracy and secrets and other people are falling to the same pathetic fate.

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2012 has spiritual significance, he believes we are moving into the 4th and eventually 5th dimension, and it will begin around 12/21/2012, and be completed in 2017.

The video speaks for itself. You can tell when someone is lying. Their body mannerisms and facial expression reveal a great deal of stress, and you can tell he's extremely relaxed the whole time he's giving the presentation. The only other determination you can make is that he's completely deluded. I don't think the Conscious Life Expo (a yearly festival held in L.A. where speakers talk about healthy living, and higher consciousness living) is a big magnet for weak-minded people, and people who are easily led astray.

The pictures he was comparing his own to were that of Edgar Cayce. He believes he is the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, (who if you don't know is the most well known psychic from the late 19th and early 20th century). After looking at the pics, can you really blame him? When research led him to this conclusion in the 90's he began devoting his life to psychic, and paranormal phenomena, and btw Cayce predicted 2012, so it's not surprising D.W. feels a civic duty to spread the word about this.

BB, why is it more frightening that I find spiritual significance in it than if I thought the world was going to end? Religious people actually go out and murder other people in the name of 'God', but it's not ok for me to just be hopeful and optimistic in the face of science saying we could be in for a rocky ride in a few years, well 'God' help us.

Science is on the side of 2012. See, you can't just come back and say, 'well, science says....' See, I can say, 'well science says.....' because Kaku, in the video DH posted says we are in for the worst solar max ever in 2010-2012. You probably won't hear a lot of other scientists talking about it to the media, because they probably want to do a little more research, and after all, it is still 3 years away. He's a well respected physicist, so I doubt he's lying. Also, he said many other physicists are coming to that same conclusion right now. All, I'm saying is I believe something huge will happen in 2012, but I'm not going around trying to cause panic. I don't think the world will end, but I think something spiritual will happen. I wish you guys could try to be a little more open minded about this, and see that many 2012 believers do not feel we're in for doom of any kind, quite the opposite.

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Freebase Dali

I still don't see the spiritual significance of 2012 other than the assumption that thousands of people are working themselves into a stupor over a Mayan calendar and some speculation on probable astrological phenomena around the same date.
The reasoning behind my laughter at you people is all this significance you're placing on this "event" is based on mystic extrapolations from ordinary occurrences.

Oh, and the fact that he thinks he's the reincarnation of a psychic based on similar facial features kinda tells you he's not even operating under the tenants of the belief, merely his own deluded ones.

Look... you can say that we might have a problem when/if certain events take place that could very well change how we look at survival in the world, but I don't see how it's necessary to dive into a web of mysticism in order to deal with it.
And don't go comparing what I just said to religious people, because I think they're just as fucking stupid.

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Darkest Hour

Why would anyone take kaku's message lightly? I doubt he is lying.

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I heard a lot of strange theories while listening to George Noory on Coast ot Coast, some of them pretty kooky. A lot of it is based on The New Age movement's anticipation for the Age of Aquarius.
According to Einstein we live in the 4th dimension, three directional dimensions and time, all which is often called space-time.
Interestiong that you mentioned the 5th Dimension, oddly enough there was a group called the 5th Dimension, who so happen to record a song called The Age of Aquarius, but I digress, oh crap lost my train of thought.

Darkest Hour

george noory is awesome.

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And is there really a more credible source out there than astrology?

I mean, I'm a Taurus, and Taurus's are supposed to be eccentric and inflexible and... HOLY SH*T!!!

I'm eccentric and inflexible.

Freaky. o_O

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Miltamec Soundsquinaez

To qualify my beliefs one more time, I basically came to that conclusion out of fear.

It's the same as when a religious person worships an 'eye in the sky' to quell some of their fear of dying. If it helps, more power to them. For the most part 'God' is a good influence in the world. People don't need to fight wars in his name, and skew the texts for their own benefits, that's no longer religion. That's power tripping and ego.

So, to go back in linear time, I was really scared when I saw the science about it. I started doing more research on it, and found some very uplifting websites, and videos on the subject. It helps that I actually believe what they're saying, too.

If you don't believe the astrology, that's fine, but at least believe the science. That might be a bitter pill to swallow, but ya know, you guys brought it up.

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Darkest Hour

the mayan calendar is legit. It's kind of scary actually.

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Miltamec Soundsquinaez

Yeah, I think people were irresponsibly lumping him in with Nostradamus. From what I've read of him he did make many unfounded claims. Some have mentioned in this thread that the Mayans were also charlatans. I've never read that from any source I've ever seen about the Mayans; about them making unfounded claims.

Their accuracy is astonishing and all they used were a cross-staff device to measure angles between stars and moons and planets, a pole in the ground to measure shadows cast, and a vertical zenith tube, which measure the zenith of planets, moons and stars. I guess when you look through the tube and were able to see these objects they were at their zenith. headscratch.

It makes me wonder how potent those drugs were they were taking. Peyote cactus, shrooms, and tobacco were used to get them in a trance-like state. They thought the sky was a message board of the gods, and by combining drugs and meditation they opened portals and explored the message board of the skies.

I would love to see Kukulkan, a giant 4 sided temple with 91 steps on 4 sides, plus the tiptop shared step to equal 365, totalling the days in a year. They used a ton of numerology in archaeology and in their inscriptions.

Most of the civilized world uses the Gregorian calendar which replaced the Julian Calendar, but the Mayans used about 20 calendars at once! Here are some of the cycles:

Agricultural cycle: 2 calendars-1 is 130 days measuring corn growing cycles, the other 180 days, measuring insect cycles. Some insects were helpful, others harmful, so knowing the cycles was important. It would tell them, depending on what solar year it was, which crops to plant.

Human Gestation cycle: 260 days. The Mayans believed there was a connection between astronomical events and the human body, and this calendar, also related to the Venus cycle, is supposed to describe that connection.

(Traditional)solar cycle:365 day (365.2425 technically, and yes they knew all about that and the 400 year rule-take 1 day off)

Moon cycle:29.5 days from new moon to following new moon

Galactic cycle:26,000 for precession of the equinox, this time measures the cycle that takes place from the Earth's wobbling like a top as it moves around the sun. It doesn't move in a fixed circle, and consequently the constellations and north stars we see are constantly changing. After 25.6-25.8k years, it resets itself to that original point on its axis, and in another 25.6-25.8k years will do the same again.

Prophetic calendars: some of their calendars are strictly prophetic in nature, the knowledge born from the trances, and can't be proven with science.

Long Count Calendar: 5,126 years, or 13 baktuns. This is the one that gives the dates like 0.0.0.0.0, but the first day of a new baktun is actually 13.0.0.0.0.

Tzolk'in Calendar: Same as the human gestation cycle, this is the most sacred Mayan calendar. This is the calendar that all the others relate back to. It's like the center gear that drives all the others. It tracks what they believe was the divinatory year, a 260 day span. Linking the center of the galaxy to the center of each person, and linking planetary and terrestrial cycles to the human body through the 13 major joints and the 20 fingers and toes. If you don't understand this, take it on good faith that it meant something damn important to the Mayans.

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