No, it is you that is wrong (Israeli-Palestinian Conflict) (country, house)

sleepy jack · 12-27-2008, 07:12 PM

Israel launches deadly Gaza attacks | World news | guardian.co.uk

This is probably the best article I could find on it, every other article clearly has an Israeli bias and makes sure to state that the US approves of what they're doing and they always fail to mention that this "provoked action" was because of another "provoked action" ad infinitum and it all amounts to "my god is bigger than your god!"

My other favorite things about this article though:

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Many were members of the security forces of the Islamic group Hamas, but civilians were also killed.

Which makes it an acceptable act right?

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Despite the warnings, the timing and scale of the assault came as a surprise to many residents of Gaza. The raids had been expected to begin tomorrow, and the fact that they took place mid-morning rather than at night meant many official buildings and schools were full. Some of the missiles struck densely populated areas as children were leaving school. Parents rushed into the streets to search for them.

The very best part, gotta love Israel eh?

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Hamas said it would seek revenge, including launching new rocket attacks on Israel and sending suicide bombers to Israel. "Hamas will continue the resistance until the last drop of blood," said a Hamas spokesman, Fawzi Barhoum, speaking on a Gaza radio station.

YAY!

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One man sat in the middle of a street in Gaza City close to a security compound, slapping his face and covering his head with dust from the bombed-out building. "My son is gone, my son is gone," said Sadi Masri, 57. The shopkeeper said he sent his son out to buy cigarettes minutes before the air strikes and could not find him. "May I burn like the cigarettes, may Israel burn," Masri said.

Yeah you're definitely the horrible persecuted victims here Israel.

The best part of this though IS America's approval:

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The Foreign Office said it was "deeply concerned by the reports of deaths and injuries of innocent civilians" in Gaza. A spokesman said: "The only way to achieve peace in Gaza is through peaceful means. While we understand the Israeli government's obligation to protect its population we urge maximum restraint to avoid further civilian casualties. We also call on militants in the Gaza Strip to immediately cease all rocket attacks on Israel."

The United States urged Israel to avoid civilian casualties, although it did not call for an end to the Israeli strikes. "Hamas's continued rocket attacks into Israel must cease if the violence is to stop. Hamas must end its terrorist activities if it wishes to play a role in the future of the Palestinian people," said a White House spokesman, Gordon Johndroe. "The United States urges Israel to avoid civilian casualties as it targets Hamas in Gaza."

I don't understand why were the one nation who can't join the "Hey Israel Bombs Aren't Going To End the Conflicts" brigade. The violence is completely self-perpetuating there and won't stop unless someone there decides to be the bigger man which isn't going to happen because only one religion can be right (shame they're both wrong) the best way to figure out which is right is through murder.

ya_ba · 12-28-2008, 10:37 AM

It's pretty easy criticising while you sit in your American/European/God knows where - country, with no chance of ever getting bombed.
Seriously, you judging people who are constantly in war is so pathetic.
You are pathetic, you make me sick.

right-track · 12-28-2008, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ya_ba

It's pretty easy criticising while you sit in your American/European/God knows where - country, with no chance of ever getting bombed.
Seriously, you judging people who are constantly in war is so pathetic.
You are pathetic, you make me sick.

spark10036 · 12-28-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ya_ba

It's pretty easy criticising while you sit in your American/European/God knows where - country, with no chance of ever getting bombed.
Seriously, you judging people who are constantly in war is so pathetic.
You are pathetic, you make me sick.

he is pathetic for judging the israelis? the are the only people on this planet who are not allowed to say "only god can judge us". they are the worst of the worst. they make americans look like democracy fighters. they are the most blood-thirsty nation in the world. they have occupied a country with the only excuse being an ancient myth, about how their ancestors flet from Egypt and moved their 3000 years ago, and they kill the rightful occupants out. they have not a single excuse, and I don't even wonna hear about the holocaust. they had their chance to win my sympathy and they screwed that up. if the palestinians had anyother way to react except from suicide bombings I would be cheering for them, but right now I'm only cheering against israel.

sleepy jack · 12-28-2008, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ya_ba

It's pretty easy criticising while you sit in your American/European/God knows where - country, with no chance of ever getting bombed.
Seriously, you judging people who are constantly in war is so pathetic.
You are pathetic, you make me sick.

Can you explain to me how killing innocent civilizations and bombing schools is going to bring peace to that region? Can you also write the prominent world leaders who have said the same thing and tell them that they're "pathetic" too? Thanks.

The Monkey · 12-28-2008, 03:23 PM

The reason the US supports Israel is far more sinister than people think. The Christian right believes that the Children of Israel, the Jews, have to be to be in the Holy Land during the second coming of Christ, which is soon to happen. With its excessive lobby activity, they have managed to get these fantasies into practice in the American foreign policy. Scary stuff.

If Israel believes massive bomb raids will somehow make the Palestinian population more favourable towards them they're mad. This will only increase Hamas' support on the Gaza Strip and the entire Middle East. Imagine if you're a 14-year-old Palestinian boy. All your life you have seen Israeli aggression towards your people and your neighbourhood (sometimes magnified by propaganda, sometimes not). Wouldn't you be inclined to join a movement that claims to want to put an end to Israel's attacks?

sleepy jack · 12-28-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by The Monkey

The reason the US supports Israel is far more sinister than people think. The Christian right believes that the Children of Israel, the Jews, have to be to be in the Holy Land during the second coming of Christ, which is soon to happen. With its excessive lobby activity, they have managed to get these fantasies into practice in the American foreign policy. Scary stuff.

Even better though is what happens to the Jews when good old Jesus comes back.

anticipation · 12-28-2008, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Can you explain to me how killing innocent civilizations and bombing schools is going to bring peace to that region? Can you also write the prominent world leaders who have said the same thing and tell them that they're "pathetic" too? Thanks.

no kids, no future, no problem.

sleepy jack · 12-29-2008, 12:26 AM

Israel's government isn't remotely stable. Getting along IS the only solution; if killing each other back and fourth would've solved anything there'd be a resolution by now. Unfortunately it would take generations and generations of peace agreements to get anywhere but mine as well start sometime soon or. I don't agree with him though that this is all Israel's fault seeing as every single country in that region wants them dead (Good job British/French, grouping people with no regard to their history, religious preferences or ethnicity was a GENIUS move.) However I do find it hard to sympathize with Israel completely. You're stupid if you think you can usurp a country and then live happily ever after there.

The problem here is the violence is completely self-perpetuating and someone needs to just stop. Israel has stronger allies, but when they pull shit like this they're not doing themselves any favors. They have sympathizers but if they keep it up with this constant escalation and indiscriminate killing they're just going to lose those supporters and when that happens (and it will) they'll have no one to blame but themselves. I'm not even going to go into whether or not these attacks are justified or who started what but all they're doing is unifying Palestinians around Hamas. So much for Blair and Bush's democratic peace theory but I don't feel like getting into what right Israel has to attack a democratically elected government.

I don't think there's ever going to be peace there (referring to Jerusalem specifically.) Christianity, Judaism and Islam all started there. So if there is a god, good job! I'm sure you'll find out who loves you the most at this rate. That city is a cancer on the world and it's sickening to think that an ancient city and a bunch of old pieces of fiction are the cause of all this.

kthedrummer · 12-29-2008, 09:59 AM

I know I don't have the answer here...I do know that the U.S. is ridiclously pro-Isreal but really has no isea how deeply the Jews and Palestinians hate each other. I do know that the Palestinians were kicked out of Palestine(Isreal) so the Jews could have their homeland back and were exterminated much like the Jews were exterminated by the Third Reich...that is sick irony. This is a war that will NEVER end until the World does.

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The Monkey Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 803	The reason the US supports Israel is far more sinister than people think. The Christian right believes that the Children of Israel, the Jews, have to be to be in the Holy Land during the second coming of Christ, which is soon to happen. With its excessive lobby activity, they have managed to get these fantasies into practice in the American foreign policy. Scary stuff. If Israel believes massive bomb raids will somehow make the Palestinian population more favourable towards them they're mad. This will only increase Hamas' support on the Gaza Strip and the entire Middle East. Imagine if you're a 14-year-old Palestinian boy. All your life you have seen Israeli aggression towards your people and your neighbourhood (sometimes magnified by propaganda, sometimes not). Wouldn't you be inclined to join a movement that claims to want to put an end to Israel's attacks? __________________ Now another stranger seems to want you to ignore his dreams as though they were the burden of some other My Last.fm

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kthedrummer King of the Idiots Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The free love freeway Posts: 262	I know I don't have the answer here...I do know that the U.S. is ridiclously pro-Isreal but really has no isea how deeply the Jews and Palestinians hate each other. I do know that the Palestinians were kicked out of Palestine(Isreal) so the Jews could have their homeland back and were exterminated much like the Jews were exterminated by the Third Reich...that is sick irony. This is a war that will NEVER end until the World does. __________________ Your brain has the shell on it.