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cardboard adolescent 02-17-2009 09:34 PM
if one of them came up to me and said life was pointless i'd nod and pass them a joint

Terrible Lizard 02-17-2009 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 598794)
if one of them came up to me and said life was pointless i'd nod and pass them a joint
As I've stated in another thread, life is something you make for yourself. That's why men fight for a better one.
*sigh* **** it man, pass the dragon grass.

Somewhat_Damaged 02-17-2009 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Terrible Lizard (Post 598797)
As I've stated in another thread, life is something you make for yourself. That's why men fight for a better one.
*sigh* **** it man, pass the dragon grass.
*passes*

Terrible Lizard 02-17-2009 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Somewhat_Damaged (Post 598798)
*passes*
Mahalo Manson.

ixtlan22 02-17-2009 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 598776)
what more do you want? is there anything you could possibly conceive of wanting that you don't already have to some degree in life? and if you can sense what it is you want, why don't you get it in this life, instead of saying it'll be granted after death. the fact of death means that you should concentrate your whole existence on getting it. it doesn't mean that your existence was pointless, it means that your existence was the point. if you expect to get the point after death you might miss it.

if you're looking for a bigger story, write it with your life.
how's that for cheese?
That's truth CA. It seems to me that afterlife is a convenient way to explain off a lifetime of enslavement and complacency to a system of powerful and powerless. It appears to be a lot more effective as a control device than anything to really give anyone hope about their lives. Whether there is an afterlife or not it is false hope. It's false because it convinces people that what they have right in front of them is not good enough. I also happen to think that heaven is an attainable state of mind within life and hell is no different. The ideas of heaven and hell work a lot better for me as metaphors for the here and now rather than the afterlife. The biblical paradise is only lost to us because of the way we all view the world, not because Adam & Eve were expelled from it by God.

This world has everything anyone could ever need. And if you don't think so, all you need do is change the way you look at it.

Somewhat_Damaged 02-17-2009 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Terrible Lizard (Post 598800)
Mahalo Manson.
I'm a big NIN fan.......Angry Industrial kicks ass

cardboard adolescent 02-17-2009 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ixtlan22 (Post 598805)
That's truth CA. It seems to me that afterlife is a convenient way to explain off a lifetime of enslavement and complacency to a system of powerful and powerless. It appears to be a lot more effective as a control device than anything to really give anyone hope about their lives. Whether there is an afterlife or not it is false hope. It's false because it convinces people that what they have right in front of them is not good enough. I also happen to think that heaven is an attainable state of mind within life and hell is no different. The ideas of heaven and hell work a lot better for me as metaphors for the here and now rather than the afterlife. The biblical paradise is only lost to us because of the way we all view the world, not because Adam & Eve were expelled from it by God.

This world has everything anyone could ever need. And if you don't think so, all you need do is change the way you look at it.
It's funny, because I agree with the quote that "a mind is its own place, and in itself/ can make a heaven out of hell, a hell of heaven"

it's funny because on the one hand in the context of paradise lost it's the logic of Satan trying to justify his alienation from God, so it seems like pantheism=satanism. on the other hand, Satan says that the mind can turn heaven into hell, so there's no reason to assume that going back to paradise (after death) we wouldn't just rebel against god again, and start it all over.

ixtlan22 02-17-2009 10:22 PM
That's an interesting point my friend. And a great quote as well!

Somewhat_Damaged 02-18-2009 11:56 AM
The mind can be whatever we make it. The power of the mind is a miracle in itself...I was in the hospital for almost a month and am grateful to still be alive!....since then my mind has been set that there should be more to then just this.."no sobb story"

Feign 02-23-2009 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by dreadnaught (Post 567570)
Listen to Bokonon.
We're all part of a plan.
That is my favorite book by Vonnegut.

Now to add my opinions which have probably been said, I believe that we lean towards a 'higher being' because we can't comprehend nothingness. I look forward to that release when I die, because an eternity would bore anyone to death (ha.). I still want to live, but I won't complain when I die.. I'd be a little more annoyed if there is an afterlife. I know I'm not explaining myself well, but I'm tired and on mobile Internet...so sorry, haha


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